#: 20979 S1/General Interest 02-Jun-95 17:21:59 Sb: #20972-X.25 & LAP-B Fm: M. Raabe 100327,1526 To: Paul S. Dayan 100040,400 (X) Hi Paul, I'm working for ELTEC. We have a 68302-based daughter board for our 68030/40/60 CPU-boards and our VMEbus-carrier, which is connected to OS-9 via descriptor/driver. Interrested? Ciao Martin Raabe mraabe@eltec.de #: 20981 S1/General Interest 06-Jun-95 14:13:39 Sb: #Consulting in NYC Area Fm: Michael A. Cohen 73304,3026 To: All, ***URGENT/IMMEDIATE NEED*** Spectrum Concepts Consulting Corp., an information technology consulting firm providing leading-edge consulting expertise to the NYC area since 1979, is looking for an OS-9 Specialist to work ON-SITE at one of our most prestigious clients in the NYC area. The contract is immediate and at least one year length. Skills Required: * OS-9 Expertise Skills Desired: * C Programming * CD-i * David * Interactive TV The project involves designing and developing the software component for an interactive TV hardware box based on OS-9. For More Details please contact: Michael Cohen, Technical Recruiter Spectrum Concepts Consulting Corp. 150 Broadway, Suite 600, New York, NY 10038 phone (212)791-4800 x248 fax resumes to (212)791-6639 ***Referral Fees Paid . . . Refer your friends/associates!!!** There is 1 Reply. #: 20995 S1/General Interest 14-Jun-95 11:35:29 Sb: #20981-Consulting in NYC Area Fm: Craig S. German 72752,2336 To: Michael A. Cohen 73304,3026 Michael, I am working in a new startup company, Interactive Engines, Inc. The company's goal is to provide a set-top box application development tool suite for interactive television applications (and eventually other types of applications). Our development team has considerable experience in providing set-top application authoring and delivery tools, and we were instrumental in developing the Stargazer application software for Bell Atlantic that is now deployed in Italy and in the U.S. Specifically, we have extensive experience in developing in C on the OS-9 DAVID and CD-I platforms. Perhaps you could provide more details on your needs/interests. Our business number is: (703) 860-0334. Our address: Interactive Engines, Inc. 1803 Pepperridge Ln. Reston, VA 22091 We look forward to hearing from you! Sincerely, Craig German #: 20984 S1/General Interest 08-Jun-95 15:27:05 Sb: #Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Christian Daschill 100112,277 To: all I just want to blow off some hot air after a frustrating day with Fastrak(PC) and Ultra C V1.2: Fastrak-PC is a bad joke to say the least (I wonder if anyone at MW ever took a look at Borland's IDE, that's how compiling and debugging dhould be done), and Ultra C 1.2 is even slower than 1.1 when compiling and linking (~ 200%), it builds 25% bigger and 15% to 20% slower code than 1.1. I'm sorry I wasted my company's money by buying Fastrak, I'll try the GNU C++ compiler now. C.Daschill There are 2 Replies. #: 20988 S1/General Interest 12-Jun-95 17:17:19 Sb: #20984-#Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 To: Christian Daschill 100112,277 (X) Christian, I haven't tried FasTrak myself yet, but from what I've heard from others and now from you, it is'nt worth giving it a try. Microware are definetely not doing a good job. They're at least 10 years behind. They still use KERMIT as their serial protocol, it's incredible. None of they're products works 100%, you always run into weird problems. Sometimes I feel I should give up on OS9, and try one of the other products on the market. I'm just afraid, that I'm gonna run into similar problems! Let me know about how the GNU compiler performs, maybe it is worth trying... Jost There are 3 Replies. #: 20990 S1/General Interest 13-Jun-95 03:11:18 Sb: #20988-Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Joachim Terasa 100421,2472 To: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 (X) Jost, >> Microware are definetely not doing a good job. They're at least 10 years behind. << Don't say such bad words:) Be happy that microware succeded to release an ANSI-C-Compiler at least! Two years ago when Ultra-C still wasn't usable I got a young guy on my side to produce some C-code. He would not believe that this language he had to use was also called (K&R-)C. So, is 10 years enough? Jochen -Joachim Terasa #: 20994 S1/General Interest 14-Jun-95 01:40:30 Sb: #20988-#Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Christian Daschill 100112,277 To: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 (X) Jost, I just hope somebody at Microware monitors that forum and realizes that the customers are not happy with their products. Chris There is 1 Reply. #: 21006 S1/General Interest 19-Jun-95 08:32:01 Sb: #20994-Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Boisy G. Pitre 74464,3005 To: Christian Daschill 100112,277 (X) > Jost, > I just hope somebody at Microware monitors that forum and realizes that > the customers are not happy with their products. > > Chris > Hi Chris, As an employee of Microware, it certainly concerns me when a customer is not satisfied. I can only recommend that you address your concerns to our marketing department. You can report any bugs or requests for enhancement to our hotline: hotline@microware.com. Regards -- Boisy G. Pitre__ __ __ Delphi: BOISY |_ _| \ \/ / CompuServe: 74464,3005 I use... _| |_ > < Internet: boisy@os9er.waukee.ia.us |_____|NFO/_/\_\PRESS 1.2.0 OS-9 -- King of Operating Systems #: 21011 S1/General Interest 21-Jun-95 12:41:52 Sb: #20988-Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 (X) I keep telling MW reps that they should just give away FastTrak... but they could charge for support on it. That would allow more companies to try out OS-9 and encourage its use. If they ended up using OS-9 because of this, the license/support fees would be far more beneficial over the long run to MW than charging for FastTrak itself. kev #: 21023 S1/General Interest 26-Jun-95 09:09:42 Sb: #20984-#Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Peter Eisele 100041,2304 To: Christian Daschill 100112,277 (X) >I just want to blow off some hot air after a frustrating day with Fastrak(PC) >and Ultra C V1.2: Dear Mr. Daschill, If you run into problems with any of Microware products, you are very welcome to use our free hotline service. Do you use FasTrak with OS/2 ? This would be very interesting. Peter Eisele Dr. Rudolf Keil GmbH Customer Support There is 1 Reply. #: 21028 S1/General Interest 26-Jun-95 17:01:36 Sb: #21023-#Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Peter Eisele 100041,2304 (X) Glad that Dr. Keil responded....I was going to do so myself, but didn't want to be cast as a mindless-microware-supporter (or mindless anything for that matter). The truth of the matter is that ultra-c did have some serious bugs in the initial versions. However, I have compiled some complex programs with 1.2 and it appears to generate very good code. Certainly, things can get complex with ultra-c, especially when converting programs from K&R-type code. Before we flame MW too much, remember that their products are running on very distinct platforms and it is not possible to test the code on each variant....it is certainly much easier on a PC (mind you, Microsoft uses thousands of beta testers...and they have to pay for the privilege). So, cool down a bit before posting here with "this is shit" messages. It doesn't do you, Microware, or the OS9 community any good. There is 1 Reply. #: 21030 S1/General Interest 27-Jun-95 22:00:56 Sb: #21028-#Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) >>So, cool down a bit before posting here with "this is shit" messages. It doesn't do you, Microware, or the OS9 community any good.<< Bob, I can't speak for others, but it did me good, to see that I'm not the only one who is frustrated with MW. If they would do, what they claim to do, LISTEN TO THEIR CUSTOMERS, their products would be much better. They don't even bother to do something in this forum, they leave it totally up to the users. They don't even advertise new releases, or new products. It appears to me, they don't care about their customers. Jost There is 1 Reply. #: 21034 S1/General Interest 28-Jun-95 19:19:35 Sb: #21030-Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 (X) Rereading what I posted I think I did a flame. Sorry...not the idea...I must have been having a bad day. >They don't even bother to do something in this forum, they leave it totally >up to the users. They don't even advertise new releases, or new products. It >appears to me, they don't care about their customers. Good point. At one point they did have their own forum...but they really never did anything with it. I have a feeling that they may have figured that this was just a place for people with coco's etc. to hang out and wanted to devote their time to folks with "real" computers...or maybe they are just spread out to thin. No idea really...and I agree with you that they should have a official presence. On the other hand, if they are supporting with their hotline address, at least they are doing something. Anyway, I do know the good feeling one gets when one gets things off ones chest. #: 20997 S1/General Interest 14-Jun-95 17:55:12 Sb: Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 To: Christian Daschill 100112,277 (X) Christian, <> I think they know that people are very unhappy, but I don't think they care a lot... Jost #: 21003 S1/General Interest 17-Jun-95 00:52:35 Sb: Scaleing Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob, Have you had a chance to use that mm2hp30 screen print driver yet ? I think I finally figured out what causes the problem that I had with the program sometimes printing the full screen and then again sometimes only printing half of the screen, even though _gs_scsz and _gs_winfo both report the same values. I think the problem is in the SCALE function. Well, not the function itself but whether the screen that is being printed has the SCALE function turned on or turned off. So, I was wondering if you have any ideas on how I can get the program to detect whether scaleing is on or off. larry #: 21007 S1/General Interest 20-Jun-95 17:21:33 Sb: #Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Niels Peter Bogholm 100566,2262 To: Christian Daschill 100112,277 (X) Hi Christian (and Jost as well!) You are certainly very pessimistic about OS9 and UltraC... Well as we all know MW isn't as large as fx Borland or other PC-companies and therefore somehow don't have the same potential as in the PCworld. This is of cause _NO_ excuse for selling "bad" software! We are using FasTrak 1.1 (Solaris 2.3) and compared to other tools (Sun sparcworks or also Borland/Turbo C/C++) it is quite good! Of cause the first versions (1.0,1.1,..) all have minor (and a couple of major) bugs but is it not the same for all software written (incl our own) ?! Overall I find the FasTrak (Solaris 2.3 version!) a great tool! I have no experiences with UCC v1.2 yet (I get it nxt week perhaps then I understand your complaints..?!) but although the v1.1 doesn't produce _high_ speed code the UCC could be much worse! My suggestion: Report all bugs/whishes or compliments direct to microware on hotline@microware.com (forget "Dr Keil" if you're located in germany cause they are _SLOW_ and really don't care). I report direct and always get a reply within 3 days and they are mostly really helpfull (if you are writing a _contructive_ letter !!!) About OS9: The OS is - compared to other realtime OS - not that bad! Some packs are better and other worse, but again MW only changes if the users report some _contructive_ feedback. don't worry, be happy ;-) Niels. There are 3 Replies. #: 21009 S1/General Interest 21-Jun-95 02:59:21 Sb: #21007-#Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Joachim Terasa 100421,2472 To: Niels Peter Bogholm 100566,2262 (X) Hi Niels >> (forget "Dr Keil" if you're located in germany cause they are _SLOW_ and really don't care). << True words! Any software-developer is a competitor for him, so why should he care? >> I report direct and always get a reply within 3 days and they are mostly really helpfull (if you are writing a _contructive_ letter !!!) << Thats also my experience. But remembering OS-9 V 2.1 - how many weeks did I invest to get my software running just dealing with OS-bugs. Events - a very basic OS-service didn't work from C. Remembering when we bought the first release of Ultra-C with three months update-service. A little test program - just a bit more than 'hello world' - I couldn't get to run. This one was fixed in two updates within the three months but there were many bugs left. It must be allowed to ask, if it's ok to sell a product for several hundreds of dollars that really doesn't seem to be tested very well. >> The OS is - compared to other realtime OS - not that bad! << That's the reason why it's still used very often. But really, there are others being of higher quality - compared to OS-9. Jochen -Joachim Terasa There are 3 Replies. #: 21014 S1/General Interest 22-Jun-95 03:17:59 Sb: #21009-Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Christian Daschill 100112,277 To: Joachim Terasa 100421,2472 (X) Joachim, > It must be allowed to ask, if it's ok to sell a product for several hundreds of dollars >that really doesn't seem to be tested very well. I can only agree. We bought Ultra C as soon as it was available and spent a fortune on support contracts and the recent upgrade to Fastrak, but we are still using the V3.2 compiler for our development because of Ultra C's bugs and performance. I don't even want to think about the money the wasted ours cost us. Chris #: 21015 S1/General Interest 22-Jun-95 03:20:44 Sb: #21009-Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Christian Daschill 100112,277 To: Joachim Terasa 100421,2472 (X) Joachim, > It must be allowed to ask, if it's ok to sell a product for several hundreds of dollars >that really doesn't seem to be tested very well. I can only agree. We bought Ultra C as soon as it was available and spent a fortune on support contracts and the recent upgrade to Fastrak, but we are still using the V3.2 compiler for our development because of Ultra C's bugs and performance. I don't even want to think about the money the wasted hours cost us. Chris #: 21025 S1/General Interest 26-Jun-95 09:09:53 Sb: #21009-Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Peter Eisele 100041,2304 To: Joachim Terasa 100421,2472 (X) > >> (forget "Dr Keil" if you're located in germany cause they are _SLOW_ and >really don't care). << > > True words! Any software-developer is a competitor for him, so why should he >care? Dear Mr. Terasa, please don't generate such rumours. If you have a reason to do that, please tell us about it first! Sincerely, Dr. R. Keil Dr. Rudolf Keil GmbH #: 21013 S1/General Interest 22-Jun-95 03:11:37 Sb: #21007-Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Christian Daschill 100112,277 To: Niels Peter Bogholm 100566,2262 (X) Niels, I think you are right about the Unix version of Fastrak. I also heard that it was quite a nice package. In the PC domain, on the other hand, it looks like MW did just an alibi port without caring about performance and useability. A MW employee suggestet to take my questions and complaints to the MW Hotline, so I'll try that. In the meantime, if I could just get that 120MHz Pentium to have bearable link times... :<) Chris #: 21024 S1/General Interest 26-Jun-95 09:09:48 Sb: #21007-#Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Peter Eisele 100041,2304 To: Niels Peter Bogholm 100566,2262 (X) >My suggestion: Report all bugs/whishes or compliments direct to microware on >hotline@microware.com (forget "Dr Keil" if you're located in germany cause >they are _SLOW_ and really don't care). I report direct and always get a reply >within 3 days and they are mostly really helpfull (if you are writing a >_contructive_ letter !!!) Dear Mr. Bogholm, as you know, our company puts a lot of efforts into hotline matters. If you don't feel happy, please let us know first. It is, however, not helpful for anybody to generate untrue rumours into the public. Sincerely, Dr. R. Keil Dr. Rudolf Keil GmbH There is 1 Reply. #: 21027 S1/General Interest 26-Jun-95 15:01:15 Sb: #21024-Ultra C V 1.2 Fm: Niels Peter Bogholm 100566,2262 To: Peter Eisele 100041,2304 (X) Dear Mr Eisele, What a interessting experience: Suddently when someone speaks a negative word about Dr. Kiel you get _very_ active ! If you would be that active in hotline matters I would be very impressed ! Well I won't lose this forums space (and my time) about your hotline and it's qualities, but it's obvious that I'm _not_ the only costumer who's complaining - so untrue rumors ....??? And it's a _fact_ that the Microware hotline is fast responding and helpfull. Or try the SUN hotline: Once you ask a question, they (and not the costumer!) call you back until they are sure about, that the problem is solved!! (Well that's the difference between the german and american way..!) Please fell free to contact me at my office and I can provide you with more information about unanswered questions that I wrote your "hot"line months ago! Niels Boegholm. (089) 909994-52 (office) #: 21010 S1/General Interest 21-Jun-95 12:29:22 Sb: FasTrak for Windows Fm: Rick Hunt, MATRIX 76077,3237 To: All Does anyone have experience setting up and using FasTrak for Windows? We're having a variety of problems and would appreciate any help available. If you prefer you can reach me via email at INTERNET:rlh@matrix.com Thanks, Rick #: 21012 S1/General Interest 21-Jun-95 22:29:02 Sb: www Fm: tom farrow 72701,543 To: all Does anyone know if MW got on to the WWW yet if so how do you contact them? #: 21019 S1/General Interest 25-Jun-95 03:21:58 Sb: OS9 Sourcebook Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051 To: all I have been asked to forward this message to users here. It is an information form for an OS9 Sourcebook that is upcoming. Sort of a directory of users etc. If you will take the time to fill it out and return it, I'm sure it will be appreciated, and perhaps quite beneficial to all of us. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have not already sent in your User form to the sourcebook please send in the one below to either: 'Thetaurus@Delphi.Com' or snail mail at... The OS-9 Users' Group Inc. 6158 West 63rd Street Suite 109 Chicago, Il. 60638 U.S.A At the end of this post will be the user entry form for the OS-9 Users' Group sourcebook. Initial response was great, but returns have dropped off since. Please make it a point to fill it out and return it to me(Thetaurus) so I can add your name to the database. It takes not more than a couple minutes and couldn't be any easier. You just need to fill it out and return it(email even :-) ), so please return this form with your name so we can keep the response coming! Btw, in the upcoming MOTD we will have the BBS entry form for sysops or users for that matter, to send in for their bulletin board systems. I'll post the form here soon after. The Industrial user form might also be in the next issue as well. If not the next one, then the one after, tho it really doesn't affect many of us here who are really personal users. If you know any industrial users, please do make sure they see it when it comes out. ________Form Coming...________ OS-9 Sourcebook Information Form -------------------------------- Name: --------------------------------------------------------------- Business: ----------------------------------------------------------- Address: ------------------------------------------------------------ City: State: ZIP: ---------------- --------------- -------------------- Country: Telephone:( ) - ---------------- --------------------------------- EMail Address: ----------------------------------------------------- Signature: Date: 07 /06 /1995 ------------------------------------ DD MM YY Would you like information on joining the OS-9 Users Group? o Already a Member! o Yes o No Can this information be passed to OS-9 vendors? o Yes o No Are you available to act as a volunteer for OS-9 o Yes o No projects from time to time? This isn't a commitment. Please indicate your area(s) of interest: o OS-9/6809 o OS-9/68000 o OS-9000 o Programming o Hardware Other ________________________ You use OS-9 primarily for what purpose: o personal use o industrial system o both Please describe briefly your OS-9 computer system(s): Please describe briefly your computer and OS-9 experience: Please describe your OS-9 interests (things you would like to see the UG do, or see in the MOTD), or list any other questions or comments: #: 21038 S1/General Interest 29-Jun-95 15:56:39 Sb: #Upgrade OS-9 2.4 => 3.0? Fm: Georg Lohrer 100415,2175 To: ALL Does anybody have experiences about the difficulties and hidden traps when upgrading from OS-9 Version 2.4 to OS-9 Version 3.0 ? We want to upgrade - to up-to-date - but we are afraid of bugs and much work to change our machine-controlling-software. So, please send me a short information about your experiences or a place where I can get more infos about this stuff. Thanks, Georg Lohrer, 29-Jun-95 21:52:47 CET Storming through CIS with OzWin 1.10 There is 1 Reply. #: 21039 S1/General Interest 29-Jun-95 18:17:53 Sb: #21038-Upgrade OS-9 2.4 => 3.0? Fm: Jost Eberbach 73502,2041 To: Georg Lohrer 100415,2175 >>Does anybody have experiences about the difficulties and hidden traps when upgrading from OS-9 Version 2.4 to OS-9 Version 3.0 ? We want to upgrade - to up-to-date - but we are afraid of bugs and much work to change our machine-controlling-software.<< Hi Georg, I have a lot of experience with upgrading from 2.4 to 3.0. It's not that big a problem. Only some device drivers won't work, because MW changed the specifiaction for device drivers. Actually, none of the device drivers we were using (for a graphics and a serial board) would work with 3.0. Also your boot method might not work. I was using the OS-9 MVME162 BSP, which comes with a boot prom from MW. The boot prom for 2.4 could not boot 3.0, you have to use the new prom. These should be all the problems that arise with upgrading, from my experience. If you don't use other device drivers than the ones that come with OS-9, and if you use a boot prom from an OS-9 vendor, you shouldn't have a problem at all. OS-9 3.0 is much more predictable in it's real time response than 2.4. So it's worth making the step, IMO. Also, MW's new developments are for 3.0 of course, another reason to do the upgrade, as you said, to stay up-to-date. If you need help with the upgrade, let me know. Right know I am in the US, but I'll move back to Germany next week (I take it from your name that's where you are). I will try to start my own business there. So I'm available to help you out!!! Jost #: 21036 S5/OS9 Users Group 29-Jun-95 07:00:56 Sb: Microware UK Telephone Fm: Andy Richards 100045,1355 To: SYSOP (X) Hello, Could you help me by telling where I can go in the UK to buy OS9 for 68K machines? I believe that Microware exists in the UK but I can't find it. Many thanks Andy Richards #: 21005 S6/Applications 18-Jun-95 20:08:09 Sb: #20967-#Zip Bug fixed(?) Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 To: David Breeding 72330,2051 (X) Sorry about the FROM_MEDIA FROM_DISK problem in ln.c. I don't remember even posting that version!!! Anyway, you are correct that changing MEDIA to DISK will correct the problem. The reason the #define was put in was the SCSI disk drivers that came with the TC-70 would always send back 256 as the sector size, even if it was really 512. Where did you get the link() function? Was it included in the ZIP sources? And is my name in it? - Mike - PS. Something else to watch out for with ln.c. If you do a link on a file you have open, the link count won't get properly incremented. Ran into that with CNews. There is 1 Reply. #: 21008 S6/Applications 20-Jun-95 20:52:45 Sb: #21005-Zip Bug fixed(?) Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051 To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 > Sorry about the FROM_MEDIA FROM_DISK problem in ln.c. I don't remember > even posting that version!!! Anyway, you are correct that changing MEDIA > to DISK will correct the problem. It was a simple change, really. Not really difficult to find after I got over the laziness of getting started at looking at the source. If that error was yours, had you already discovered it? > The reason the #define was put in was the SCSI disk drivers that came with > the TC-70 would always send back 256 as the sector size, even if it was > really 512. Yes, there was some info in there about that. > Where did you get the link() function? Was it included in the ZIP > sources? And is my name in it? I downloaded this with the Zip archive from Delphi, I believe. Someone has just uploaded a modified version with the FROM_DISK fixed, and apparently another change or two, since their module is a different length than mine. The link() function was with the sources. Someone sent me a version of Zip that didn't utilize the link() function. In looking over the source, there is a file called "osk.c" and this stuff is in it. Ln is credit to Bob Larson and it is noted that you had added sector-checking, it says Dec 8, 1992. I don't believe I saw any name as to who was responsible for the port of Zip itself. > PS. Something else to watch out for with ln.c. If you do a link on a file > you have > open, the link count won't get properly incremented. Ran into that with > CNews. This might be good for several to know. I had never fooled with this aspect of disk structure. To be honest, I was not really clear on the actual function of the link field, but I figured it out and with experimenting with ded, found out exactly what the link count did -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** #: 20996 S6/Applications 14-Jun-95 15:12:30 Sb: #Dynamic Binary Fixup Fm: Craig S. German 72752,2336 To: All Does anyone know if it's possible to load and un-load self-contained code dynamically in OS-9 using anything other than OS-9 modules? What I would like to be able to do is have a primary task that doesn't know at startup what functions it needs, and that it loads binaries on an as needed basis. As an example, let's say I didn't know ahead of time that I would need to display text. I determine this need at run-time, request a load of a text display executable (with an API that is known), and then begin to make text display calls. Is this only possible using OS-9 modules? The reasons for avoiding modules are: 1) I'm not sure if loading a module uses malloc, and if it does, I was told mallocs are bad in OS-9, at least in a CD-I environment; and 2), I wanted to know if there was some less OS-9 specific method of doing this. Thanks, Craig German There are 4 Replies. #: 20999 S6/Applications 15-Jun-95 03:30:59 Sb: #20996-#Dynamic Binary Fixup Fm: Joachim Terasa 100421,2472 To: Craig S. German 72752,2336 (X) Craig, Modules are part of the basic concept of OS-9. I thing it is a fine thing from the developers sight. So I don't see any reason to avoid them. 1.I'm really not sure if OS-9 uses malloc internally for allocating modules. Though it is true that malloc with OS-9 has its problems, i never had problem with modules. 2. Even if there are standards as posix is, you will alway have some features being specific to any operating system. So why do you want to avoid them? In some level of abstraction it is all the same, if modules or not. Jochen -Joachim Terasa There is 1 Reply. #: 21000 S6/Applications 15-Jun-95 10:43:55 Sb: #20999-Dynamic Binary Fixup Fm: Craig S. German 72752,2336 To: Joachim Terasa 100421,2472 (X) Joachim, Thanks for the response. I agree with you about this issue -- I actually posted it because an associate and I had a disagreement about the impact of portability concerns for our system architecture, and I was looking for some external validation. Again, thanks! Craig German #: 21001 S6/Applications 15-Jun-95 12:04:54 Sb: #20996-#Dynamic Binary Fixup Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Craig S. German 72752,2336 (X) I used to do OS9 development, but it's beena while... Malloc() is typically an application class function. I would think that when allocating memory for executable operation that the operating system would use a lower level call (like sbreak(), ibreak(), or f$mem). We used loadable modules in our application without problems (os9 2.4 on 68040 VME boxes). Just watch those link counts! Pete Lyall There is 1 Reply. #: 21002 S6/Applications 16-Jun-95 09:31:42 Sb: #21001-Dynamic Binary Fixup Fm: Craig S. German 72752,2336 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Thanks! Craig German #: 21032 S6/Applications 28-Jun-95 15:12:41 Sb: #20996-#Dynamic Binary Fixup Fm: M. Raabe 100327,1526 To: Craig S. German 72752,2336 (X) Hello Craig, there is a User Group in Europe, called European Forum for OS9 (EFFO). They have a magazine 3 times a year. In the mag (OS9 International) there is in the latest issue an article about this topic: Subroutinemodules (dynamic link libraries they are called in the Windows world nowadays). They are designed for that purpose you need. Unfortuntely Microware only talk about basic09 subroutine modules. But this is not the only language you can use this mechanism. have a closer look at the magazine. To get the sources to that article and some information send a mail (internet) to: INTERNET:os9int@effo.ch Hope I helped you out! Martin Raabe programming OS-9 since 1987 (BTW using OS-9 on the 68060 is gorgeous!!!) There is 1 Reply. #: 21037 S6/Applications 29-Jun-95 11:47:41 Sb: #21032-Dynamic Binary Fixup Fm: Craig S. German 72752,2336 To: M. Raabe 100327,1526 (X) Thanks a lot, Martin! I'll take your advice. Craig German Interactive Engines, Inc. #: 21033 S6/Applications 28-Jun-95 15:41:19 Sb: #20996-Dynamic Binary Fixup Fm: M. Raabe 100327,1526 To: Craig S. German 72752,2336 (X) Hi Craig, There is a Internet EMail site at my office, where the PD-disks from EFFO are stored in Germany. Here you can retrieve all disks, one special disk or the help text. Simply write an email to 'INTERNET:os9int@eltec.de' and fill in as subject 'help' to get the helpdesk. Here the latest disk is available containing the sources to get the advantage of shared libraries. Hope I helped you out! Martin Raabe Worms Germany #: 20978 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 02-Jun-95 17:21:39 Sb: #20849-UUCP/SMTP Fm: M. Raabe 100327,1526 To: ole hansen 100016,3417 (X) Hi ole, what did I miss? Are you having a solution for my problem? I'm using the TOP-UUCP to connect a OS-9 based EMail Net company-wide (>20 68020/30/40 based computers). There are (unfortunately) PC-users who want to be connected to the UUCP-EMail from their MHS / Novel / TCP/IP / ... worlds. I'd love to hear from you. TIA Martin Raabe (mraabe@mrehome.eltec.de) #: 20977 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 02-Jun-95 17:10:12 Sb: #20850-OS9 v3.0 ISP Fm: M. Raabe 100327,1526 To: Niels Peter Bogholm 100566,2262 (X) Hallo Niels, in Deutschland gibt es mehrere Hersteller guter TCP/IP stacks. Fur welche Plattform wird es denn benotigt? Ich arbeite bei einem VMEbus-board Hersteller. Wir haben das MW-ISP 2.0 und OS9TCP 2.0 von ASS im Programm, um Probleme wie die Ihren in den Griff zu bekommen. Man kann halt nicht alles (von MW) haben! Ciao Martin Raabe #: 21004 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 18-Jun-95 20:07:52 Sb: #20955-HP Jet Direct Net-Interf Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 To: Joachim Terasa 100421,2472 (X) The OS-9 to HP-Jet Direct card is one I'm dealing with also. Our problem is no real way to 'spool' the files on the OS-9 side. Without a spooler I'm seeing printjobs disappearing. I've got an Idea that just might work, (the spl package from here printing to a socket instead of a device or pipe), but havn't had a chance to play with it yet. I'll let you all know if it works, - Mike - #: 20980 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 02-Jun-95 17:22:03 Sb: #20974-#Alarms 'disappearing' Fm: M. Raabe 100327,1526 To: Ian J Shearer 100410,2733 (X) Hi Ian, as far as I know the fix of OS-9 V3.0.1 should be ok, isn't it? Ciao Martin Raabe mraabe@mrehome.eltec.de There is 1 Reply. #: 20983 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 08-Jun-95 11:17:04 Sb: #20980-Alarms 'disappearing' Fm: Ian J Shearer 100410,2733 To: M. Raabe 100327,1526 (X) Martin, Not really. All the 'fix' does is to prevent a task from deleting alarms sourced by a different user ID. If you have several tasks spawned by the same parent this provides no protection at all. Ian #: 20982 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 06-Jun-95 14:14:28 Sb: Consulting in NYC area Fm: Michael A. Cohen 73304,3026 To: All, ***URGENT/IMMEDIATE NEED*** Spectrum Concepts Consulting Corp., an information technology consulting firm providing leading-edge consulting expertise to the NYC area since 1979, is looking for an OS-9 Specialist to work ON-SITE at one of our most prestigious clients in the NYC area. The contract is immediate and at least one year length. Skills Required: * OS-9 Expertise Skills Desired: * C Programming * CD-i * David * Interactive TV The project involves designing and developing the software component for an interactive TV hardware box based on OS-9. For More Details please contact: Michael Cohen, Technical Recruiter Spectrum Concepts Consulting Corp. 150 Broadway, Suite 600, New York, NY 10038 phone (212)791-4800 x248 fax resumes to (212)791-6639 ***Referral Fees Paid . . . Refer your friends/associates!!!** #: 21016 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 22-Jun-95 20:06:47 Sb: #OS-9000 help Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 To: All OK, OS-9000 users. New Guy here. A few questions. OS-9000 us up and running on my "486DX4/100", and I am slowly getting it to obey. I have some OS-9 experience, COCO I,II,III and OS-9/68000 on my MM/1a, so I am not completely lost, but there are a couple little things I still can't get to work. 1. Comm ports. I can use T1 and T2. Even had STERM talking to CIS when I had the (internal) modem on T2 (COM2). Then I moved the modem to T4 (COM4). T2 is now a simple serial port. T2 still works, I can plug it into an external modem or null-modem to the MM/1, but I cannot get OS-9000 to talk to T4. Messydos & Windoze and even OS/2 can find that modem, but OS-9000 cannot. COM2 and COM4 are BOTH using IRQ3, but I am not trying to use them at the same time. 2. Printer. I am using LPT1. The address of the port seems right accord to the BIOS and the information with the OS-9000 system. It even makes the lights blink and puts the Deskjet through its INIT routine when I load and init p.lpt1. When I try to print something, the lights blink on the printer and the system hangs. LPT1 works fine with the other operating systems, of course. Current method of printing from OS-9000 is to pass it via null modem to the MM/1. 3. Disk formats. No big deal here, but I sure can't get the MM/1 and the OS-9000 system to agree on what a "universal disk" is. I CAN get them both to read and write on a High density messydos disk, so I use that for transfers. 4. Graphics. Anything available to get OS-9000 to speak to the Trident 94xx VGA card in this beast? I need a CGFX_VGA.L lib (grin). Suggestions welcome. John Wainwright (johnreed@delphi.com 72517.676@compuserve.com) There are 2 Replies. #: 21017 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 23-Jun-95 08:57:01 Sb: #21016-#OS-9000 help Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X) John - Well, I don't know if this helps any, but usually COM3 and COM4 share interrupts with COM1 and COM2 (IRQ 4 and IRQ 3 respectively). That's where I would start looking. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 21018 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 24-Jun-95 13:22:18 Sb: #21017-OS-9000 help Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) > John - > > Well, I don't know if this helps any, > but usually COM3 and COM4 share > interrupts with COM1 and COM2 (IRQ 4 > and IRQ 3 respectively). That's where I > would start looking. > > Pete > Yeah, COM2 and COM4 are both using IRQ3. BUT -- I don't try to use them at the same time. In fact, with OS-9000, I only load one of the device descriptors. Messydos and OS/2 on the same box let me get away with that. I hate to start playing IRQ-Roulette on the 486 - everything you fix breaks something else. Thanks, John #: 21020 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 25-Jun-95 05:10:37 Sb: #21016-#OS-9000 help Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X) John, Congratulations on getting OS9000 up and running. Which version are you running? Using the release sold at the CocoFest in Chicago a few years ago *may* account for some of your problems. As I recollect, there were many bugs in it. The latest version is 1.3. - much smoother. I think its worth spending $200 per year for the support contract. In addition to hotline support, you should be able to get the latest version of OS9000 as part of the package. The people at MW say version 2.0 should be released in the next couple of months. > 1. Comm ports. I can use T1 and T2. Even had STERM talking to CIS when I > had the (internal) modem on T2 (COM2). Then I moved the modem to T4 > (COM4). T2 is now a simple serial port. T2 still works, I can plug it > into an external modem or null-modem to the MM/1, but I cannot get OS-9000 > to talk to T4. Messydos & Windoze and even OS/2 can find that modem, but > OS-9000 cannot. COM2 and COM4 are BOTH using IRQ3, but I am not trying to > use them at the same time. If MSDOS, etc. can find and speak to the modem correctly, its safe to say you have the card configured correctly. Check the data for the descriptor to be sure it matches your modem configuration. This information is stored in '/dd/PORTS/PCAT/systype.h'. Use '/dd/PORTS/PCAT/mk.scfdesc' to make a new descriptor. BTW, I use an internal modem on t3 - no problems. > 2. Printer. I am using LPT1. The address of the port seems right > accord to the BIOS and the information with the OS-9000 system. > It even makes the lights blink and puts the Deskjet through its > INIT routine when I load and init p.lpt1. When I try to print > something, the lights blink on the printer and the system hangs. > LPT1 works fine with the other operating systems, of course. > Current method of printing from OS-9000 is to pass it via null > modem to the MM/1. Don't have any suggestions for this one. I've had no problems. Currently, I'm using either an old OKI 192 or a HP 4+. Both work fine. You might try calling MW's hotline. > 3. Disk formats. No big deal here, but I sure can't get the MM/1 > and the OS-9000 system to agree on what a "universal disk" is. I > CAN get them both to read and write on a High density messydos > disk, so I use that for transfers. OS-9/68000 and OS9000 'universal formats' are not the same. If I remember correctly, the main difference is where the FAT is placed. Using 'os9copy' or 'os9dsave' located in the '/dd/CMDS/UNSUPPORTED' directory, you should be able to read OS-9/68000 universal format disks. Otherwise, you're doing what most of us are doing - transferring via MSDOS disks or via the serial port. > 4. Graphics. Anything available to get OS-9000 to speak to the > Trident 94xx VGA card in this beast? I need a CGFX_VGA.L lib > (grin). Well, I have G-WINDOWS for OS9000. Have 2 drivers that should work with your card'. These are generic drivers giving a resolution of 640x480x16. I have additional drivers for specific cards (the Trident isn't included) providing resolutions up to 1200x1024x256. With the optional Developer's Pak, you have what you need to write software for gfx using G-WINDOWS. Alternatively, you can purchase RAVE. I don't think there is a driver for the Trident cards, but a skeleton driver is included you can fill in to make your own driver. Ed There is 1 Reply. #: 21021 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 25-Jun-95 21:56:26 Sb: #21020-#OS-9000 help Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X) Ed, Thanks for the advice on the serial and printer ports. Mine is the system that was sold at that Chicago Fest - I bought it from another user. (Update) - I have managed to get both /T2 and /T4 drivers working, had to remove all serial ports from the boot, and load ONLY the one I plan to use. To use the other one, I must reboot (sometimes twice) and start over. DEINIZ and UNLINK don't seem to remove enough of one to let the other work. Printer - I am beginning to suspect my cables. When I put the "accelerator" 68340 board in the MM/1, I discovered that I had to switch to short shielded cables for the printer - something kinda marginal in the timing with the faster system. Maybe a similar problem (486 has a ribbon cable on the printer port). GWINDOWS sounds attractive. I couldn't quite convince myself to buy it when you made the offer for an MM/1 port, but the MM/1 already has graphics, the 486 with OS-9000 does not. I am presently in "Father of the Bride" mode - not a lot of extra bucks for a couple months, but I should recover by Fall. Thanks again for the help. John Wainwright There are 2 Replies. #: 21031 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 28-Jun-95 05:22:59 Sb: #21021-OS-9000 help Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X) John, I had forgotten some of the problems I had when I went to a 'fast' 486. Originially, I used 25 and 33 MHz machines and didn't have any problems running OS9000 attributable to hardware. When I went to my current hardware, a DX-2/66, I did have many problems. (Unfortunately, I didn't document them.) MW suggested I remove all caching. I did this and things worked properly. Started adding caching until problems cropped up. Turned out I couldn't enable 'External Cache Memory'. BOIS is AMI. Since you're running at 100 MHz, you may have a similar problem. > (Update) - I have managed to get both /T2 and /T4 drivers working, had to > remove all serial ports from the boot, and load ONLY the one I plan to use. > To use the other one, I must reboot (sometimes twice) and start over. > DEINIZ and UNLINK don't seem to remove enough of one to let the other work. I have t1 and t2 in my boot file and load t3 in the startup file. I use t1 for a terminal, t2 is my mouse and t3 my internal modem. I've had no conflicts between t1 and t3. I haven't tried running a modem from t1, but I have run the modem (t3) from a terminal on t1. I don't remember if I had problems putting t3 in the boot or I just didn't get around to making a new boot. I don't remember whether earlier version of OS9000 included them but version 1.3 includes descriptors and a driver for the DigiTech Serial card. These are in the PORTS/PC8 directory. They use the higher irqs available on 16 bit buses. I haven't tried them yet, but it seems they may work as written or with a minor modification with modem cards that permit accessing these irqs. > Printer - I am beginning to suspect my cables. When I put the "accelerator" > 68340 board in the MM/1, I discovered that I had to switch to short shielded > cables for the printer - something kinda marginal in the timing with the > faster system. Maybe a similar problem (486 has a ribbon cable on the printer > port). Well, maybe. But I think you said the printer worked properly under DOS and WINDOWS. This suggests that the hardware is OK. I'd suspect either the hardware's caching or the 'pcpll' driver. I don't remember if I had problems with the earlier version of OS9000 but I don't with 1.3. I go through about 15 feet of cable and 2 printer switches (definitely not recommended). Several GFX programs I wrote work OK as does 'PSF'. You mentioned (re serial ports) you had to remove the serial ports from the boot and load them. I load 'lpt2' and 'pcpll' from the startup file. Don't remember why. (Sometimes I do things the 'easiest' way and don't get around to doing them 'properly'.) > I am presently in "Father of the Bride" mode - not a lot of extra bucks for > a couple months, but I should recover by Fall. Congratulations! Didn't you know in this mode you are supposed to have bottomless pockets ? E-mail me your mailing address and I'll send you a demo copy of G-WINDOWS. Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO #: 21035 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 28-Jun-95 21:51:52 Sb: #21021-OS-9000 help Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051 To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X) > GWINDOWS sounds attractive. I couldn't quite convince myself to buy it > when you made the offer for an MM/1 port, but the MM/1 already has > graphics, the 486 with OS-9000 does not. John, I would like to put in a plug for GWINDOWS. I got it with my system when I bought it from Ed. I am totally impressed. It has features that I still cannot believe. Of course, with everything, I can compose a little wish list for it, but basically, I don't think I could live without it now. It did take me a little time to get over the jet lag from coming over from the coco. I liked a lot of its features. Not being able to just jump from one screen to another took a little getting used to, but now, everything seems quite natural. One small feature that I am really endeared to is its cut and copy feature. It seems to have 1000 uses. One thing I have done with it, although my need for it is my fault, is that I have dialed up a BBS which uses hard-to-remember passwords. Rather than use file transfers or whatnot, I can just list it to a screen, cut, and double-click on the telecom window and transmit it that way. You can even send a small file this way. I know this particular usage is not necessary, as there are other ways, but I just use this to demonstrate what _can_ be done. When you can see your way clear, I would definitely go for it. -- David Breeding -- CompuServe : 72330,2051 Delphi : DBREEDING *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0 *** #: 21022 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 25-Jun-95 22:34:37 Sb: MM/1 System for Sale Fm: Ernest Withers Jr. 71545,1117 To: ALL For Sale: Complete MM/1 System, S/N 120848 with IMS manuals Includes: IMS Slimline case & power supply I/O board OS-9/68000 v2.4 with Microware manuals 3 megabytes RAM 4 serial ports (/t0, /t1, /t2, & /t3) 2 parallel ports (/p & /p1) 2 1.4MB floppy drives 105 MB Quantum hard drive 101 key XT/AT switchable keyboard Logitech 3 button Series 9 serial mouse Magnavox 8CM515 color monitor MM/1 Technical Manual Software: FHL's FBU & FRS backup/restore software (Includes original FHL's DynaStar & DynaForm for 68000 disk & manual) BGFX Fontasee font editor WriteRight word processor Speedisk disk defragmenter Ved, Vprint, & Vmail EthaGUI Desktop TasCOM ColorSystems Game Pack Lots of public domain software Asking $700.00 for the complete system. I will bring this system to the Atlanta 'Fest if anyone is seriously interested. If interested, leave E-Mail. Ernest Withers CIS: 71545,1117 Delphi: ERNIEWITHERS Press !>