N Public Message (Rec) Message # 119 *MM1 TECH Echo* To : Eric Crichlow From : James Jones Subject : Re: Signal Handling Date : 94/05/26 04:19:35 Previous Reply is Message 11 If I remember rightly, that's one thing that's different between OS-9/6809 and OS-9/68000. OS-9/68000 will queue signals; OS-9/6809 won't. --- RiBBS v2.10 * Origin: Ocean Beach BBS 619-224-4878 MM1 TECH moderator (1:202/343) Public Message (Rec) Message # 136 *MM1 TECH Echo* To : Warren Hrach From : Colin Mckay Subject : Re: UUCP on MM/1 Date : 94/05/24 22:16:00 Next Reply is Message 141 Warren, > I have been successful getting most of mine to work so far but ran > into a snag with the readnews option to 'reply' and postnews option 'a' Have you passed this message on to Bob Billson yet? If so, then why do you keep posting bug reports to ALL? It is really annoying to the authors of any software to see any problem reports posted to the public without having you contact them first, and giving them a chance to respond. There is an update to UUCPbb due out soon which will address at least one of the problems you mentioned, if not more. I'm not trying to put you down here, just trying to get you to send your bug reports to the author, and give him a chance to respond to them before his reputation as a programmer, and that of his package gets tarnished. UUCPbb is a good working package. No need to complain about it publicly before you even contact the author and give him a chance to fix it. TTYL. Colin. --- Maximus-CBCS v1.02 * Origin: Micro80 Computer Club of Ottawa BBS (1:163/306) Public Message Message # 141 *MM1 TECH Echo* To : Colin Mckay From : Warren Hrach Subject : Re: UUCP on MM/1 Date : 94/05/26 08:28:13 Previous Reply is Message 136 On Tuesday, May 24th, 1994 - Colin Mckay wrote: CM> Have you passed this message on to Bob Billson yet? If so, then why CM> do you keep posting bug reports to ALL? It is really annoying to the CM> authors of any software to see any problem reports posted to the CM> public without having you contact them first, and giving them a CM> chance to respond. CM> There is an update to UUCPbb due out soon which will address at least CM> one of the problems you mentioned, if not more. CM> I'm not trying to put you down here, just trying to get you to send CM> your bug reports to the author, and give him a chance to respond to CM> them before his reputation as a programmer, and that of his package CM> gets tarnished. CM> UUCPbb is a good working package. No need to complain about it CM> publicly before you even contact the author and give him a chance to CM> fix it. Colin, Certainly I have sent msg. to the author about it and I wait several days for an answer. I use my Fido to Usenet path to send to the Internet address. I did receive the comp.os.os9 news article about the upcoming new release from Bob Billson and Co. Lately since my UUCP (or my MM/1 compilation of it) has gone south when I try to send mail out I have to use my Fido system to send Internet and also the regular echo mail. But make no mistake I did have my UUCP working fine except for the reply option in the readnews and postnews wouldnt work. And there was an admitted bug causing this. In fact I have recompiled several times, rebuilt all the .xxx files to start over and still it refuses to send anything. I could go on for many pages of what all I have tried to no avail including 4 differant varietys of 'chown'. So what we need is some constructive help from users not questions such as what you ask. YOU SHOULD read the Fido policy which clearly states that user posting msg's should not easily take offence nor be easily annoyed. And another thing, I am not complaing about the authors programming nor the fact they sometimes take a while to reply. You must realize that sometimes a person overlooks an obvious item in setting up something that someone else can help with. That is what this Echo was started for. I have had 7 years of working with RiBBS and found that when helping others many odd things can happen to foul it up. Thus was born 'RiBBS to Go' ! It may be once we all get working well that it would be an easy thing to also set up a 'UUCP to Go' package that can be had for the cost of mailing a few stamps or $ and getting it in mail. I do not profess to be very smart about programming but I can follow good instructions such as was done in the UUCPBB20 package but I am usually the one that missreads an instruction or missunderstands the implication and then cant figure where I went wrong. I just posted a new report about my problem since I have waited for several days for the normal reply from the author. In it I clearly state that I have sent direct to the author the report. I believe I also mentioned that it was not a bug report but rather a system problem unique to my system. So if you can offer constructive help great otherwise if you tend to be easily annoyed by msg's posted to 'All' about problems then either don't read the echo anymore or if you want I will give you the job of being moderator !! 8-> BTW This past week has seen our local Fido system having trouble receiving the Echo backbone. They are working with Planet Connect but are experiancing poor dish reception so that may be why mail has been delayed going in or out from here. But sending from my Usenet gateway and receiving on my MM/1 UUCP has worked fine. (warren@ocnbeach.jd.com) --- RiBBS v2.10 * Origin: Ocean Beach BBS 619-224-4878 MM1 TECH moderator (1:202/343) Public Message Message # 178 *MM1 TECH Echo* To : Colin Mckay From : Warren Hrach Subject : Re: MM/1 and High Speed modems Date : 94/05/30 08:23:28 Previous Reply is Message 9 Colin, I kept digging and finally found my UUCP MM/1 system goof. What I had done was edit the sequence.xxx files in the /dd/sys/UUCP dir to have 0 in order to start over with no msgs or news articles. *WRONG MOVE*. the sequence.spool file has the msg numbers in 4 digit syntax. I had edited to one digit (0) and thus got the error 'msendfile can't open '' . Once I deleted all the sequence.xxxx files and cleared out my msgs in usr dirs and articles in the /dd/usr/spool/news dirs all was OK. Still have the postnews, reply to news and followup news bug but that is a known bug and hope it gets fixed when the new release is out. (warren@ocnbeach.jd.com) PS My Fido hub has been changed so I may have missed some mail and I am not sure this is getting out but will give a try. --- RiBBS v2.10 * Origin: Ocean Beach BBS 619-224-4878 MM1 TECH moderator (1:202/343) Public Message (Rec) Message # 305 *MM1 TECH Echo* To : Warren Hrach From : Colin Mckay Subject : Re: UUCP on MM/1 Date : 94/05/31 19:42:00 Next Reply is Message 332 Hi, Warren. I've responded to your last message in a private message. Towards constructive suggestions: o chown is part of the carlutils.ar package which you may already have o clear out any files (but not directories) in usr/spool/uucp/* and its subdirectories. See if that makes any difference. If that fails, then: o clear out anything at all that has to do with uucpbb from your hard drive, and start over from absolute scratch (don't forget to write down your passwords, though) It sounds like some of the leftover files are messing things up. TTYL. Colin. --- Maximus-CBCS v1.02 * Origin: Micro80 Computer Club of Ottawa BBS (1:163/306) Public Message Message # 332 *MM1 TECH Echo* To : Colin Mckay From : Warren Hrach Subject : Re: UUCP on MM/1 Date : 94/06/02 09:07:12 Previous Reply is Message 305 On Tuesday, May 31st, 1994 - Colin Mckay wrote: CM> o chown is part of the carlutils.ar package which you may already CM> have CM> o clear out any files (but not directories) in usr/spool/uucp/* and CM> its subdirectories. See if that makes any difference. If that fails, CM> then: CM> o clear out anything at all that has to do with uucpbb from your CM> hard drive, and start over from absolute scratch (don't forget to CM> write down your passwords, though) CM> It sounds like some of the leftover files are messing things up. Colin, Fido mail has been messed up all over for last few weeks so maybe by the time you read this you will have seen my previous post about the files 'sequence.xxxx' in the /dd/sys/uucp dir. Anyway for sake of clarity I will repeat, *NEVER* edit those files when wanting to clean up things, just delete all the sequence.xxxxx files and UUCP will recreate them from scratch. The key to this was my outgoing mail pkts had only a 0 at end of the filename and should have had a 4 digit number. That is why I got the 'msendfile cant open '' ' error. I have installed the chown from Carls utils and only problem is the superuser is only one that can postnews and reply to news wont work so lets hope the update fixes that. Thanks for the answers and help, later, -Warren (warren@ocnbeach.jd.com) --- RiBBS v2.10 * Origin: Ocean Beach BBS 619-224-4878 MM1 TECH moderator (1:202/343) Public Message Message # 356 *MM1 TECH Echo* To : All From : John A Donaldson Subject : new programs Date : 94/06/02 19:10:00 Next Reply is Message 380 While at the Chicago Fest, one of the venders showed me a prototype clone of "Wolfinstein". It was fantastic. He is also thinking of making a C library of his routines. If he does that, what out, hi-tech games will pop up everywhere. I asked him to let me know when the game is ready to sell. I want a copy bad. If you never gone to a COCO FEST, you gota go. John D. --- RiBBS v2.10 * Origin: THE-GOLDEN-COCO-bbs,RIBBS/OS9/OCN,HOUSTON,TX (1:106/941) Public Message Message # 369 *MM1 TECH Echo* To : All From : Warren Hrach Subject : UUCP now working Date : 94/05/29 15:36:00 After searching hi and low, I found the bug in my system setup. I had mistakenly edited the sequence.xxx files in the /dd/sys/uucp dir to be all at 0, BIG MISTAKE!. the sequence.spool uses a four digit number or hex number so when I set to 0 none of my outgoing mail pkt had right file address, they would be "C.jadpc0" instead of "C.jadpc0000" and the other two same thing. So I just cleaned up the sequence files by deleting them and letting uucp restart them and now it is all working sending msg. out no problemo! Now just waiting on the update to fix the reply to news article and postnews bug. In the meantime I am getting mail and comp.os.os9 news group and can send mail answers out no problem. (warren@ocnbeach.jd.com) PS my apologys to anyone I may have upset thinking I was blaming the programmers, It was a pure goof on my part. PS2 I am posting on the CoCo Exchange cause my Fido system has been reassigning a hub for me but just today got my Fido mail back on new hub. --- RiBBS v2.10 * Origin: Coco Exchange, San Diego, Ca 619 272-3643 (1:202/617) Public Message (Rec) Message # 380 *MM1 TECH Echo* To : John A Donaldson From : James Jones Subject : Re: new programs Date : 94/06/04 17:39:03 Previous Reply is Message 356 Next Reply is Message 381 I want to echo what you said. If you haven't made it to a Fest, you've missed out bigtime. (BTW, I'm using the new version of OSTerm 68K, and it's very nice. Good job.) --- RiBBS v2.10 * Origin: Ocean Beach BBS 619-224-4878 MM1 TECH moderator (1:202/343) Public Message (Rec) Message # 381 *MM1 TECH Echo* To : James Jones From : John A Donaldson Subject : Re: new programs Date : 94/06/04 19:44:37 Previous Reply is Message 380 James, Sorry, but I did KTerm V2.01 from Blackhawk Enterprises. John A. Donaldson --- RiBBS v2.10 * Origin: Ocean Beach BBS 619-224-4878 MM1 TECH moderator (1:202/343) Public Message (Rec) Message # 431 *MM1 TECH Echo* To : John A Donaldson From : Tim Jones Subject : new programs Date : 94/06/04 21:01:00 JAD> While at the Chicago Fest, one of the venders showed me a prototype JAD> clone of "Wolfinstein". It was fantastic. He is JAD> also thinking of making JAD> a C library of his routines. If he does that, what out, hi-tech games Sounds cool John. Does it use the Wolfenstein screens from the PC version and run under an OSK engine? Thanks for the info. How about a description of the fest from an MM/1 owner's point of view. Tim --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: If I Only Had 1/MM - [512-280-6578] (1:382/107) Public Message (Rec) Message # 494 *MM1 TECH Echo* To : John A Donaldson From : Colin Mckay Subject : Re: Chicago Fest Items... Date : 94/06/08 13:52:00 Sure you remember me. I'm the owner of Northern Xposure, and one of the two people involved in the OSTerm 68K project. Ken was the one with the beard, while I was the taller one. (But nowhere near as tall as Alan DeKok.) Mind you, Alan was on his knees for much of the Fest, demoing the Shanghai:OS-9 port of the Activision rompak for people. TTYL. Colin. --- Maximus-CBCS v1.02 * Origin: Micro80 Computer Club of Ottawa BBS (1:163/306) Public Message Message # 527 *MM1 TECH Echo* To : Colin Mckay From : John A Donaldson Subject : Re: Chicago Fest Items... Date : 94/06/09 22:23:00 Now I remember you. Talked to SOOOOOO many people, I'm having trouble keeping people straight. BTW, I have my UUCP system up and working. It's the one from Bob Billson. john@wb5dgq.hounix.org Send me a message. John D. --- RiBBS v2.10 * Origin: THE-GOLDEN-COCO-bbs,RIBBS/OS9/OCN,HOUSTON,TX (1:106/941) Public Message (Rec) Message # 539 *MM1 TECH Echo* To : John A Donaldson From : Tim Jones Subject : Re: new programs Date : 94/06/08 22:29:00 John thanks for the report. It sounsds like it was a good time, I knew it would be... I wish I could have gone. So what did the makers of the OSk version of OSterm think of Kterm? (you never said) Tim --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: If I Only Had 1/MM - [512-280-6578] (1:382/107) Public Message Message # 579 *MM1 TECH Echo* To : Tim Jones From : John A Donaldson Subject : Re: new programs Date : 94/06/11 16:04:00 Tim, They came over and I showed them KTerm. As programmers do, they were quick to point out the suttle differences. I guess as a return favor. HEHEHE. We did notice some big differences: OSTerm has buttons down both sides of the screen. KTerm use the standard KWindow meathod OSterm has a full size shell window KTerm has a 80X10 shell window located at the bottom of the screen. OSTerm the user has to start a zmodem download KTerm zmodem download is automatic. Both use a outboard zmodem process. Both use either flow control or hardware control of ports. Both will do 38KBaud I was impressed with OSTerm and they were impressed with KTerm. John A. Donaldson --- RiBBS v2.10 * Origin: THE-GOLDEN-COCO-bbs,RIBBS/OS9/OCN,HOUSTON,TX (1:106/941) Public Message (Rec) Message # 627 *MM1 TECH Echo* To : John A Donaldson From : Warren Hrach Subject : test Date : 94/06/13 09:00:40 John, Can you reply to this on the Golden CoCo ? I need to test my outgoing mail. -Warren (warren@ocnbeach.jd.com) --- RiBBS v2.10 * Origin: Ocean Beach BBS 619-224-4878 MM1 TECH moderator (1:202/343) Public Message Message # 649 *MM1 TECH Echo* To : Tim Jones From : Colin Mckay Subject : Re: new programs Date : 94/06/12 18:27:00 Hi, Tim. Guess John really doesn't remember me! He only showed KTerm to Ken, not me, although I did discuss it at length with David Graham. Both OSTerm 68K and KTerm use K-Windows, but in different ways. OSTerm 68K can be run in two modes. The command OSTERM behaves just like the Level II version of OSTerm, opening up an 80x24 window, with popup windows. If you've used OSTerm under Level II, you'd be quite comfortable with OSTerm 68K. To take advantage of the K-Windows mouse, OSTerm also comes with a graphical front end, called OST. This provides a point-and-click interface for most functions. Both OST and KTerm open up a type-6 90x30x16 color screen. KTerm then creates an 82x28 framed window on that screen, with an 80x25 working area, something like this: +---------------------------------------------------+ | o File Protocol Baud Parity Flow Phone Help | (Sorry for the | 2400,N,8,1 cd none XModem | brevity, but I +---------------------------------------------------+ needed the space!) | 80x25 working area | +---------------------------------------------------+ Across the top are standard K-Windows style pull-down menus -- closebox, File, Protocol, etc. Second line shows the status. The OSTerm screen, using the OST Front End, looks like this: ComPort /t3 OST Version 2.2.0 Screen /w4 Q F1:Help F2:Shell F3:Echo F4:Option F5:ADial F6:Conf F7:Trans F8:Hangup Mac +---------------------------------------------------------+ESC A | | <- | | Y B | | N | | 1 C | | 2 80x24 working area I | | v | | > J | | < Rem | | ^ Clr +---------------------------------------------------------+ v First line is for status. Second line is the quit and primary function buttons, which also correspond to the function keys. Down the left side are the Macro Edit, Macro (A-J), Remote Mode, and Screen clearing buttons. On the right are the buttons used to respond to menus. Essentially you have OST literally framing OSTerm. OST, from the users point of view just acts as a keyboard filter (In addition to setting up the screen, palettes, and fonts). Anything typed on the keyboard is passed on to OSTerm for handling. For function keys, the appropriate key sequence is passed. For example, pressing F1 would send the key sequence for Help, Alt-/, to OSTerm. Same thing happens when you press one of the buttons framing OSTerm. Clicking Clr sends the Alt-`, or clear screen code. A similar -- though far more complicated -- Front End is distributed with Bob van der Poel's VED. A front end also exists for InfoXpress. Download protocols, as John mentioned, are also handled differently. Right now ZModem auto-starts for downloads on KTerm, but not OSTerm. External protocols are handled a little differently as well. Under KTerm, the external protocols are handled internally. OSTerm has a built-in brief scripting language that enables users to tell OSTerm how to handle other external protocols. (ie if somebody ever ports jmodem or sealink to OSK, KTerm will need to be modified and recompiled to handle the new protocol, while OSTerm only requires that a config file be modified.) Overall performance (speed and reliability) seems similar, although I must admit that there haven't been any head-to-head tests done. It is great that there are two competing commercial terminal programs, as this can only be to the benefit of all involved. Both programs have many features that haven't been mentioned here, but are covered in the manuals. --- Maximus-CBCS v1.02 * Origin: Micro80 Computer Club of Ottawa BBS (1:163/306) Public Message Message # 693 *MM1 TECH Echo* To : All From : Travis Weitman Subject : coco3 system Date : 94/06/15 12:08:55 4 sail coco3 system with 512k mem burck and burck hard drive car and multi pack floppy drive card and rs232 pack with cm8 color monetor and flopy drive all for just $100 buck got to sell quck like by sat #619-222-5693 almost any time but if i am out leave a message and number i will get right back to ya thanks travis --- RiBBS v2.10 * Origin: Ocean Beach BBS 619-224-4878 MM1 TECH moderator (1:202/343) =*= FIDO ECHO MESSAGES MENU =*=