#: 17259 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 15-Dec-92 21:47:19 Sb: Televideo Terminal Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: All Does anyone know if a normal PC-type keyboard will work with a Televideo 965 terminal. I have a term. with a blown keyboard (I think). I thought I'd make up a little converter cable to switch from a DIN plug to the telephone jack the TV-965 uses. But if someone has more knowledge than me let me know if I'm wasting my time (or if I can damage the PC keyboard... even though I have checked voltages and it appears to be just 5volt). #: 17260 S3/Languages 17-Dec-92 08:36:10 Sb: #17255-#C question Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) Bill... Interesting question.... what about: a) Take address of structure b) Take address of interesting element c) Subtract a) from b) d) Assign result to a variable Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 17262 S3/Languages 18-Dec-92 08:50:54 Sb: #17260-#C question Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, I hadn't thought of that one, but like Bob's suggestion, it is a runtime method, which I wanted to avoid. The simplest runtime solution, in this particular case, is to assign the address of each element to an array of pointers. I was hoping there was some way to initialize variables to the offsets at compile time. I could do it with #asm, I think, but really didn't want to. I think I'll just leave it like it is, which is all runtime type stuff. The purpose of this was to reduce the size of the code, since I'm having great fun trying to pack a lot of program into 48K, or 40K in some cases, for the CoCo. What is one OSK module is now four OS9 modules, and I think I'm going to have to go to five. -Bill- There is 1 Reply. #: 17265 S3/Languages 18-Dec-92 20:47:46 Sb: #17262-#C question Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) Bill, I don't want to get into any arguments here...but both my and Pete's suggestions were compile time. Uh, maybe you should upload a snippet of code so we can be sure we're all talking about the same thing... BTW, is this for your auto-cis program? How's it coming? There is 1 Reply. #: 17268 S3/Languages 19-Dec-92 10:58:38 Sb: #17265-C question Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob, Yes its for the auto-CIS (auto-Delphi, too) program, which is called InfoXpress (IX for short). IX is coming along, but slowly. I had thought I would have more free time to work on it, which just hasn't happened. I was hoping to have a shareware version available for the CoCo by now. The biggest stumbling block with the CoCo is the 64K per process limitation, but so far I've managed. I went back and looked at your suggestion, and you're right, it is compile time. But when I apply your suggestion to my problem, I end up with run time code because I'm dealing with pointers to structures that are passed from other functions. I could copy the passed structure to a local structure and use your suggestion (I hadn't thought of that until just now). Pete's suggestion can actually be interpreted as either compile time or run time, and again, in this particular situation it would be run time. After asking the question, and further thought on a solution, I think I've decided to leave it as it is, it will be easier to maintain, and since the functions involved save and load the configuration file for IX, I expect the code is going to change frequently. -Bill- #: 17280 S3/Languages 23-Dec-92 14:43:14 Sb: #17255-#C question Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) Bill, Here is the classical method of finding a struct element offset, if this is what you meant. #define offsetof(t, m) (&(((t *)0)->m)) typedef struct { char a; int b; short c; } X; main() { printf("offsetof(b) = %d\n", offsetof(X, b)); } There is 1 Reply. #: 17285 S3/Languages 24-Dec-92 08:23:32 Sb: #17280-#C question Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X) Carl, That's not exactly what I was looking for (I was looking for something that I could use to initialize an offset table at compile time) but its something I have filed away for future reference. Thanks. -Bill- There is 1 Reply. #: 17299 S3/Languages 28-Dec-92 20:58:24 Sb: #17285-C question Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) Ok. I wasn 't clear whether you wanted the offset of a member within a struct (ie with respect to the start of the struct) or the location in memory of a member of a struct. #: 17261 S1/General Interest 17-Dec-92 19:09:36 Sb: #17244-AR for the non-C types Fm: fred kohlhepp 72300,3553 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) list help type l Steve, Thanks! It's not easy for a beginner to "learn the lingo" in these forums. Yur help is appreciated! Fred #: 17266 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 18-Dec-92 20:47:58 Sb: New uploads Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: All I've uploaded two files to DL12 in the last couple of days. The first is docs and binary for a new upzip program. I didn't do too much too it--just figured out what files to include so that the unix source would compile properly. This program will melt the newer PK-ZIP files which the existing unzip on this system will not. It also melts files into subdirectories and keeps file dates accurate. However, it insists on processing everything in all lowercase (unless you like uppercase filenames), so I wrote a little program to convert directory names to all uppercase. Look for the files "unzip.lzh" and "updir.c" in DL12. #: 17269 S15/Hot Topics 19-Dec-92 23:27:20 Sb: #17205-New Video for KiX\30 Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 To: Chris Perrault 75346,165 (X) I'm sure that the KiX\30 would handle X-Windows but I have no plans to do anything in that regard. We are just about done with the 6809 stuff. Will only be selling what we currently have, ie DynaStar etc. We won't put that info in a catalog because of such small interest. We are concentrating on OSK now and mostly the KiX\30 as we have not sold one TC70 since the KiX\30 was introduced. BTW as you see I rarely get into the forum here so if you want to get hold of me I would suggest email, which I check almost daily. Frank #: 17270 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 20-Dec-92 13:55:12 Sb: Coco C compiler Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: all Just wanted you all to know that I received my copy of CoCo-C the other day. This is a C compiler for RS_DOS Coco1/2/3. It is quite complete implementation (integer only). It features a separate compiler (to assembler), assembler and linker. The supplied library contains most of the common C functions plus calls to interface with the Basic ROMS. The Docs are about 100 8x11 pages in a bound manual. Quite complete, but does assume you have some C programming knowledge. I do have an interest in the success of this product--they have licensed my editors which are included in the package. For the price, I think it's an excellent offer. According to the ad in Rainbow, it costs $59.95 + 4.00 s/h. For more info contact: Infinitum Technology PO Box 356 Saddle River, NJ 07458 914 356 7688 Please feel free to re-post this information. #: 17271 S1/General Interest 20-Dec-92 14:30:01 Sb: #language? Fm: charles sielicki 75716,42 To: all A general question for anyone. In what language to most programmers or programming teams program today, eg. C, assembly, ?. For example does anyone know what a program like WordPerfect or WordStar was written in? thanks for the help. chas There are 2 Replies. #: 17272 S1/General Interest 21-Dec-92 04:45:42 Sb: #17271-#language? Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 To: charles sielicki 75716,42 (X) The most used programming language in the OSK community is 'C'. In general 'C' is an accepted language in embedded system, real time systems and the like. As far as application programs, most likely 'C' or even Pascal. I believe the ORIGINAL (CP/M) version of WordStar was written in assembly language on the Z80/8080 microprocessors, but it was much easier to program in assy lang in those days when one could brag about having a system with 64k and TWO eight inch disk drives. The WordStar for CP/M was about 38k long. Today, big projects like WordPerfect or Paradox and other IBM application software take a tremendous time, number of people, and money. One person may work just on one certain part of the project. There is 1 Reply. #: 17273 S1/General Interest 21-Dec-92 06:25:09 Sb: #17272-#language? Fm: charles sielicki 75716,42 To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X) thanks scott, do you know if the popularity of C also holds true for the IBM (and compatible) community? One reason why I ask is that a friend of that persuasion claims that programs like WordPerfect are written in this thing called QBasic while I think a lower (and more powerful) level language is used. thanks again. chas There is 1 Reply. #: 17274 S1/General Interest 21-Dec-92 11:16:28 Sb: #17273-#language? Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 To: charles sielicki 75716,42 (X) the 'C' language is very popular among IBM users, although IBM users have a wider range of choices of languages than OSK users, such as QBasic. QBasic is a BASIC language compiler made by Microsoft, the original maker of MBASIC for IBM and MS-DOS systems. While I could not swear to it, I would think WordPerfect would probably be written under something like 'C' or Pascal. Even though WordPerfect theoretically could be written under QBasic since QBasic does make an executable (.EXE). There is 1 Reply. #: 17284 S1/General Interest 24-Dec-92 05:20:07 Sb: #17274-language? Fm: charles sielicki 75716,42 To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X) FYI scott, & you were right. I contacted WPCorp, WordPerfect is written in assembly, and the windows are in C. All future updates of WordPerfect are being written in C. I didn't realize that C was (is) so popular. chas (& thanks again for your help) #: 17286 S1/General Interest 24-Dec-92 18:51:21 Sb: #17271-language? Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: charles sielicki 75716,42 Charles - With little exception, the majority of current vintage stuff is written in C. Pete #: 17277 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 21-Dec-92 22:42:31 Sb: #MSDOS/OS9 Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 To: All What software exists to read/write CoCo format OS9 discs on MSDOS machines? PCDOS does a fine job the other way around, but I sometimes need the reverse. A quick look through the libraries didn't turn up anything. There are 2 Replies. #: 17293 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 26-Dec-92 10:33:57 Sb: #17277-MSDOS/OS9 Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X) There used to be a product called CoCoUtil that ran on an MS-DOS machine and would read, write and even format standard RS-DOS-type disks (single-sided 35-track). I think Clearbrook Software Group had a set of MS-Dos Utilities, too. They used to advertise in Rainbow. Their Utility would actually supported OS9-->MS-DOS and viceversa transfers. However, I think their utilities ran under OS-9. Seems like I saw an advertiser in Rainbow (recently) that is selling an MS-DOS-based transfer utility, too, but I don't think it mentioned transfers to or from OS-9. Seems like it was OwlWare's ad, if you're willing to take a chance with them. Lee #: 17307 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 30-Dec-92 14:27:25 Sb: #17277-#MSDOS/OS9 Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X) OS9MAX will do transfers from OS9 to MSDOS on an MSDOS machine. A crippleware version of it should exist somewhere here in the LIBs. There is 1 Reply. #: 17312 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 01-Jan-93 17:55:48 Sb: #17307-#MSDOS/OS9 Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417 To: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 (X) TO ALL and Ian Hodgson I uploaded a 'demo-version' of OS9MAX some time ago. I anybody is interrested I will upload the latest 'demo-version' I have. The 'news' about the current version of 'OS9MAX' is: can now generate 'bootable' OS9disks. several 'utilities' added to : backup different disk-formats(msdos,os9,unix) user-defined formats can be added. identx utility like os9-ident, but can also 'split' bootfile(even with romdebugger as the first code) now operates under windows(3.0/3.1) in its own window. regards ole b. hansen There are 2 Replies. #: 17321 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 03-Jan-93 15:21:32 Sb: #17312-#MSDOS/OS9 Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 To: ole hansen 100016,3417 (X) >I uploaded a 'demo-version' of OS9MAX some time ago. I anybody is >interrested I will upload the latest 'demo-version' I have. The 'news' >about the current version of 'OS9MAX' is: I would, for one, very much appreciate your uploading the latest demo. Thanks in advance. There is 1 Reply. #: 17344 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 08-Jan-93 18:46:04 Sb: #17321-#MSDOS/OS9 Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417 To: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 (X) hello Chris OS9MAX v3.04 demo is uploaded to lib 12 OSK regards ole hansen There is 1 Reply. #: 17357 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 11-Jan-93 05:45:11 Sb: #17344-MSDOS/OS9 Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 To: ole hansen 100016,3417 (X) >hello Chris OS9MAX v3.04 demo is uploaded to lib 12 OSK Thanks very much, Ole. I'll grab it next time I log in! #: 17333 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 06-Jan-93 20:58:16 Sb: #17312-#MSDOS/OS9 Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 To: ole hansen 100016,3417 (X) OS9Max sounds very much like what I need; although most of my home computing is done on OS9 (CoCo3) I do have an all-singing all-dancing MSDOS machine beside me too, on which I do business related stuff (the OS isn't great but the software is staggering). I would very much like to see the latest demo version of OS9Max, so I hope you upload it soon. I presume there is also some way to get a "real" version? Thanks in advance. Ian There is 1 Reply. #: 17343 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 08-Jan-93 18:36:18 Sb: #17333-MSDOS/OS9 Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417 To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 hello Ian I just finished uploading the 'new' demoversion of OS9MAX. The company that sells OS9MAX is German and is called DTR. Their address should be in the archive. I believe that 'Ultra science' sells it in the 'states'. best regards Ole B. Hansen #: 17278 S1/General Interest 21-Dec-92 23:31:09 Sb: Benchmarks Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 To: ALL The following benchmark, written in Basic on OS9/68000 was done to show the 'relative' performance between different computers from FHL/Hazelwood. As benchmarks go it is very simple. I think you will find the results interesting. SHELL "date -j" FOR j=1 to 12 FOR i=1 to 1000 a=SQRT(i) b=INT(a) IF a=b THEN a=b ENDIF NEXT i NEXT j SHELL :date -j" Year Model Speed CPU FPU Seconds '92 KiX\30 33 Mhz 68030 Yes 2 '92 KiX\30 25 Mhz 68030 Yes 3 '92 KiX\30 16 Mhz 68030 Yes 5 '87 QT20x 12 Mhz 68020 Yes 12 '92 KiX\30 33 Mhz 68030 No 14 '92 KiX\30 25 Mhz 68030 No 19 '92 KiX\30 16 Mhz 68030 No 29 '90 TC70* 15 Mhz 68070 No 105 '85 QT+ 10 Mhz 68000 No 105 '84 QT 8 Mhz 68008 No 219 * On board memory only. The fastest KiX\30 turned out to be 52.5 times faster than the TC70. All of the KiX\30 tests were done on a KiX\30 with a 25Mhz CPU. The crystal was changed to get the different speeds. We will be testing 40Mhz and 50Mhz on the KiX\30 soon. I will report those results later. Frank Hogg -- FHL PS Please send comments via email as I don't check into this forum very often. PPS 'FPU' is the 68881/2 math co-processor for those who aren't familiar with the terminology. #: 17279 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 23-Dec-92 04:37:39 Sb: #SETENV & MY STARTUP FILE Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413 To: All All: Can I put all am SETENV parameters in the .login file instead of the startup file Is their a difference being in one place than the other? I noticed that the parameters in the startup file are only good for w-w? and not term, WHY? Keith There is 1 Reply. #: 17281 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 23-Dec-92 17:30:01 Sb: #17279-#SETENV & MY STARTUP FILE Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417 To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X) hello keith the reason why your SETENV stuff only work in .login, is because your 'startup' is run by a 'shell' forked by 'sysgo'. This shell dies after having 'executet' the startup-file. If you want to set up ENV-variables from the shell you talk to after startup has run, you need to modify your sysgo.a to setup parameters for the final 'shell' forked. Let me know if you need some example-code !! regards ole b. hansen There is 1 Reply. #: 17282 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 23-Dec-92 20:47:43 Sb: #17281-#SETENV & MY STARTUP FILE Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: ole hansen 100016,3417 (X) Ole and Keith: as an alternate to changing sysgo you can just use the builtin shell command 'profile'. I have a line in my startup (right near the start): profile .login this (apparently) reads the .login file and sets the variables for the parent of the shell which is running startup. For some reason the profile command is not documented (or I can't find it in the manual). There are 2 Replies. #: 17288 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 25-Dec-92 15:29:51 Sb: #17282-SETENV & MY STARTUP FILE Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Hello Bob You might be wright about 'profile .login', but I don't have a straihgt 'shell .login'. My .login sets up a lot of things for my 'mshell' and therefor I have to set up my parameters for 'shell' in 'sysgo' as parameters before it is forked. The 'profile' builtin-command to shell is described in a 'release note' to OSK V2.4 regards ole #: 17296 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 27-Dec-92 11:19:28 Sb: #17282-SETENV & MY STARTUP FILE Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob/ole - Not sure if Mshell supports this construct, but in Bourne and Korn shells, the line '. .profile' (or more portably, '. $HOME/.profile' will read and execute commands in the .profile file in the context of the current shell. Pete P.S. That's DOT SPACE DOT FILENAME #: 17283 S1/General Interest 23-Dec-92 21:18:43 Sb: #Seasons Greetings Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: All Dear Friends: As the Holy Days enfold and the year draws to an end, I always take some time to reflect. Once again this has been a year when my little CoCo has given me a chance to continue on with old friendships while having the opportunity to make many new ones. The amount of sharing of knowledge and willingness to lend a helping hand is wonderful. I have treasured the Fests for allowing me to meet those people in person who were formerly names across the miles. It is a nice feeling to be a part, in some small way way , of this computer community. I wish I had more time to work on programs to be able to share with all of you, but at the moment that is one of the luxuries my chosen life requires me to forego. Tomorrow evening, when as a monk and a priest, I stand before the altar for Midnight Mass, I will do so with all of you in my heart. May God bless you and all who are dear to you. With all best wishes, Brother Jeremy, CSJW There is 1 Reply. #: 17287 S1/General Interest 24-Dec-92 22:17:37 Sb: #17283-#Seasons Greetings Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X) Merry Christmas, Jeremy!! (and all!) kevin (about to get online again regularly soon) There are 2 Replies. #: 17289 S1/General Interest 25-Dec-92 18:30:51 Sb: #17287-Seasons Greetings Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Hi stranger...hope the cold isn't bitting too much. We miss your wit, humor and postings of kwindows fixes, demos and docs . I'd like to add my "MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL" here too. #: 17292 S1/General Interest 25-Dec-92 21:40:10 Sb: #17287-Seasons Greetings Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) A very Merry Christmas to you and Marsha. I hope things are well for you both. --Jeremy #: 17301 S1/General Interest 29-Dec-92 12:30:54 Sb: #Languages Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: All Topic: How to Shoot Yourself in the Foot Author: harles Forsythe Date: 04:09 Today C: You shoot yourself in the foot. C++: You accidentally create a dozen instances of yourself and shoot them all in the foot. Providing emergency medical assistance is impossible since you can't tell which are bitwise copies and which are just pointing at others and saying, "That's me, over there." FORTRAN: You shoot yourself in each toe, iteratively, until you run our of toes, then you read in the next foot and repeat. If you run out of bullets, you continue anyway because you have no exception-handling facility. Modula-2: After realizing that you can't actually accomplish anything in this language, you shoot yourself in the head. COBOL: USEing a COLT 45 HANDGUN, AIM gun at LEFT.FOOT, THEN place ARM.HAND.FINGER on HANDGUN.TRIGGER and SQUEEZE. THEN return HANDGUN to HOLSTER. CHECK whether shoelace needs to be retied. LISP: You shoot yourself in the appendage which holds the gun with which you shoot yourself in the appendage which holds the gun with which you shoot yourself in the appendaga which holds... BASIC: Shoot yourself in the foot with a water pistol. On big systems, continue until entire lower body is waterlogged. FORTH: Foot in yourself shoot. APL: You shoot yourself in the foot, then spend all day figuring out how to do it in fewer characters. Pascal: The compiler won't let you shoot yourself in the foot. SNOBOL: If you succeed, shoot yourself in the left foot. If you fail, shoot yourself in the right foot. HyperTalk: Put the first bullet of the gun into the foot left of leg of you. Answer the result. Prolog: You tell your program you want to be shot in the foot. The program figures out how to do it, but the syntax doesn't allow it to explain. 370 JCL: You send your foot down to MIS with a 4000-page document explaining how you want it to be shot. Three years later, your foot comes back deep-fried. From the December 1991 issue of Developer's Insight and later from The Well. There is 1 Reply. #: 17308 S1/General Interest 31-Dec-92 18:26:59 Sb: #17301-Languages Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) Thanks Lee...needed that to brighten up my day! #: 17303 S1/General Interest 29-Dec-92 14:23:27 Sb: Night Before Crisis Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: All Programmer's Night before Crisis 'Twas the night before crisis and all through the house, Not a program was working, not even a browse. The programmers were wrung out, too mindless to care, Knowing chances of cutover hadn't a prayer. The users were nestled all snug in their beds, While visions of inquiries danced in their heads. When out in the lobby there arose such a chatter, I sprang from my tube to see what was the matter. And what to my wondering eyes should appear, But a Super Programmer, oblivious to fear. More rapid than eagles, his programs they came, And he whistled and shouted and called them by name; "On Update! On Add! On Inquiry! On Delete!" "On Batch Jobs! On Closing! On Functions Complete!" His eyes were glazed over, his fingers were lean, From weekends and nirhts in front of the screen. A wink of his eye, and twist of his head, Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread. He spoke not a word but went straight to work, Turning specs into code, then turned with a jerk. He sighed as he pressed the big ENTER key, The system came up and worked perfectly. The updates updated, the deletes deleted, Inquiries inquired, and the closing completed. He tested each whistle and tested each bell, With nary an abend, all had gone well. The system was finished, the tests were concluded, The users' last changes were even included. And the user exclaimed with a snarl and a taunt, "It's just what I asked for, but not what I want!" ..........Author Unknown /ex #: 17305 S4/MIDI and Music 29-Dec-92 18:25:46 Sb: Find Mike Knudsen Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274 To: [F] All Has anyone heard from Mike Knudsen lately? I have Ultimusic os9 midi utility that was authored by him. I am wondering if he made any updates or has anything for a msdos pc and midi? Thanks, Denise #: 17306 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 30-Dec-92 08:48:40 Sb: more ???? Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 Kevin, Has anyone done anything yet with the joystick drivers for the MM/1 ? #: 17309 S1/General Interest 01-Jan-93 02:03:13 Sb: #Happy New Year Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 To: all I don't know if anybody will see this or not but HAPPY NEW YEAR to all. Larry Larry Olson Olson Come on guy's, the place is getting so empty, we're starting to get echos. There is 1 Reply. #: 17314 S1/General Interest 02-Jan-93 14:35:01 Sb: #17309-#Happy New Year Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X) Happy new year to you too too too too too too. Funny how it got so quiet here lately...must mean that no one has any problems . There is 1 Reply. #: 17320 S1/General Interest 03-Jan-93 10:16:46 Sb: #17314-#Happy New Year Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob, Either that,(no one has any problems), or everyone went away for the holidays. I hope it is something like that. While I have your attension, do you know anything about writing screen print drivers. I have a Deskjet 550c sitting here just aching for a driver. It prints text files just great, but I would sure like to print some of these pictures on the MM/1. I sent off to HP for the technical reference manual, because the manuals that came with it told nothing about how to send the data that the printer needs to do color printing. It came with a couple of disks of drivers, but these are for ms-dos, which does me no good at all. I have no idea on how to write a driver, but I'm going to look into it. larry There is 1 Reply. #: 17322 S1/General Interest 03-Jan-93 20:35:51 Sb: #17320-#Happy New Year Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X) Larry, guess it's up to us to keep the traffic here up . Grafix drivers for printers are pretty application specific. I have written a few screen dump routines for dumping coco screens to an Epson printer. However, I believe that the Deskjet works much like a laser in this regard and you have to send it one line of data at a time. I spent some time reading a tech manual for a laser printer and it appeared that one just had to send the raster data along with some control codes. It didn't look all the complex, but then I didn't have access to the printer so didn't have to find out how "easy" it really is. I think that what you want to write is not a driver but a screen print program...quite different. The drivers supplied with your printer are most likely interfaces for specific ms-dos application programs. How do you like the deskjet? I considered buying one awhile ago, but was disappointed by the resolution. Of course, in the stores demoing them they just used cheap photocopy paper and appologized for the poor quality and assured me that with proper paper the resolution was excellent. But I wanted to see for myself and I guess they weren't all that interested in making a sale... There are 2 Replies. #: 17328 S1/General Interest 06-Jan-93 02:30:42 Sb: #17322-#Happy New Year Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob, You are right, what I meant was a screen print routine. The printer works great on text copy right out of the box. I will through together a little setup program that will allow setting different text styles and sizes. That shouldn't be a problem. I bought a copy of Vprint, but I havn't checked yet about setting Vprint enviroment up for using some of the printer features. I guess the stumbling block I see for a screen print routine is trying to figure out the correct code to send to the printer, when you get a pixel color and want to have the printer put the same color on paper. The computer uses RGB values while the printer uses CMY or CMYK. Its going to take some digging on this, right now I don't have a clue. As far as the print quality, from what I have seen, for text the quality is as good as a laser printer. The paper used does make a big difference, the regular photo copy paper is perfectly usable, but if you want the very sharpest characters,you might need to buy the paper that HP sellls. I picked up some erasable typing paper and tried it and it comes out beautiful when I ran the test routine that printed out all the different character styles and sizes. The only problem with this paper is that it is too thin, you can see through it. The problem with regular paper is that the ink has a tendency to spread as it soaks into the paper, but if you use some kind of coated paper, the ink won't soak in and spread. I don't know how long ago you looked at the Deskjet, but this new one, 550c, has a separate black ink cartridge as well as the color cartridge, which gives you black printing instead of the dark green they got when they were just mixing the colors to get black in the earlier models. I need to finish up this other program I have been working on, before I tackle any kind of screen print program, so when I do get heavy into it you can expect to see alot of dumb questions I'll be sure to be asking. larry There are 2 Replies. #: 17334 S1/General Interest 06-Jan-93 21:55:58 Sb: #17328-#Happy New Year Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X) Larry: Do send me a copy of your vprint init file when you have it done! To complicate figuring out colors for the screen dump _you_ are going to write, remember that the palettes for the screen can all be changed and then you have no idea at all of the actual colors . I understand that the paper HP sells is very expensive, But I don't know for sure...maybe that is why all the demos are on cheap paper. BTW, what kind of $$ is the 550c? There are 2 Replies. #: 17336 S1/General Interest 07-Jan-93 01:08:56 Sb: #17334-Happy New Year Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob, I havn't checked yet on the price for the HP paper but my guess is that it is high. They give you some sample Glossy paper, Cutsheet paper and Transparency film., 5 sheets of each. I havn't tried them yet, but the cut sheet paper is about the weight of photocopy paper, the glossy paper is almost like photographic paper, and must be expensive. The cost was around $650, I'm not sure what the going price is, this was part of some other stuff that was bought, plus they had them on sale at the time, plus I had some percentage off coupons. I will send you any VPRINT init file I come up with, I just got the manual out and noticed that I never sent the registration paper in. I'm really bad about that. The problem with the palette colors, I don't even want to think about yet.. I started going through some of the Deskjet init files that came with VPrint, and found myself very quickly lost. This printer has so many options, which ones do you put in the init file. I still have to spend some more time with the technical manual to figure out what these commands do and how they innteract with each other. larry There is 1 Reply. #: 17350 S1/General Interest 09-Jan-93 10:46:23 Sb: #17349-#Happy New Year Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X) There's probably more options available on the 500C, but the 500 has quite a powerful command set. I usually start with ones that I believe that I'll most likely use. Ranking them from most often used to least often used. However, if a less used option is especially powerful and convenient then it may get bumped up on the list. Lee There is 1 Reply. #: 17352 S1/General Interest 10-Jan-93 02:39:43 Sb: #17350-Happy New Year Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) Lee, I have a 550c here, the one with 2 cartridges, 1 for color and a second with black ink. Part of the problem is that I don't have any major document printing jobs right now, its been strickly program listings for the program I'm working on, and some simple printing jobs. I will probably just slowly build the init file as I find that I need more commands, like you mentioned. larry #: 17338 S1/General Interest 07-Jan-93 15:47:36 Sb: #17322-Happy New Year Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) I recently bought a HP Deskjet 500 (no color). I like it. I bought the FX-80 Emulation cartridge that's mentioned in the back of the User's Manual. By using the emulation cartridge I haven't had to find or develop new drivers. I've used MVCanvas to dump existing .VEF pictures using its Epson print driver. One drawback from using the emulation cartridge is that there's not "pass-thru" capability. Once it's in emulation mode that's where it stays. You can't access the native features by using some sort of special pass-thru sequence that will cause the emulation cartridge to be by-passed. Ergo, there's no way, that I've found anyway, to do the landscape printing that is supported in the native (non-emulated) mode. As for quality and quietness, the DeskJet 500 is great. It's hard to tell the difference between it an laser quality. It's pretty speedy, too. I got mine at BizMart for $349 + tax. The Emulation cartridge was an extra $79. I had to mail-order it, but it came very quickly. Lee #: 17310 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 01-Jan-93 14:37:12 Sb: #CD-ROM and the MM/1 Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X) Keith, I've just merged in your CD-ROM file to LIB 12. Thanks! Can I take from this contribution that you're using a CD-ROM with the MM/1? Who did the driver? What titles are you using? More details, please! Steve There are 2 Replies. #: 17311 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 01-Jan-93 17:51:34 Sb: #17310-#CD-ROM and the MM/1 Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve; Carl Krieder is working on a driver and descriptor. I am beta testing them, but for now I am getting error 102 and 169. I will ask you, do you think we should have a new File Manenger or use the SCSI hard drive one, or wright a new lib. cdrom.l (But this is still in the testing stage). Keith There is 1 Reply. #: 17317 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 02-Jan-93 17:33:08 Sb: #17311-#CD-ROM and the MM/1 Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X) > Carl Krieder is working on a driver and descriptor. I am beta testing them, > but for now I am getting error 102 and 169. I will ask you, do you think we > should have a new File Manenger or use the SCSI hard drive one, or wright a > new lib. cdrom.l (But this is still in the testing stage). Ahhh! That is good news! Carl will do his usual good job as always. As far as the design questions ... I'll leave that to those more qualified that I to answer. My claim to fame is breaking things .... not designing 'em. Just ask Carl! :-) By the way .. what was the price of the Chinon drive you're working with? Steve *- Steve -* There is 1 Reply. #: 17319 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 03-Jan-93 07:16:22 Sb: #17317-CD-ROM and the MM/1 Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve: The Price that I payed at the Dayton Hamfest was $352.56 plus $22.91 tax Total $375.47 on the 04/25/92. Yes I will be glad to get to cd-rom working. I also send Carl a start of a program called CDPLAY.A This program will be able to play CD-DA disks and (hopefully work from "desktop") will use the mouse to select the tracks and turn up/down the volume. (Just like the Messy-Dos Version) I sent him a disk (cd-rom) to work with, I hope that helps him get the software to work. I will let you know more as the days pass. Keith #: 17315 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 02-Jan-93 14:35:09 Sb: #17310-CD-ROM and the MM/1 Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Yes, Keith. Tell us more...just leaving that little file here is so unfair! #: 17313 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 01-Jan-93 20:48:12 Sb: UNLZH7.ARC uploaded Fm: Norman Rheaume 71630,3476 To: All I've just uploaded the newest edition of UNLZH-UNLZH7.ARC. This one fixes some problems with archives that I've downloaded. It also pre-allocates the output files to eliminate fragmentation problems with BIG files. #: 17316 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 02-Jan-93 14:35:20 Sb: #Termcap files Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: David George 72240,134 (X) David, just downloaded your system 5 termcap file. And I figured that the O'Reily book was definitive...have you had a chance to compare the two and see if there are any conflicts? Thanks for sharing the info. There is 1 Reply. #: 17351 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 10-Jan-93 00:48:27 Sb: #17316-Termcap files Fm: David George 72240,134 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Actually I have the O'Reilly book. The codes that I uploaded expand on the codes in the O'Reilly book. I haven't really looked into it extensively, but the codes that I did look at were identical. #: 17318 S3/Languages 02-Jan-93 20:45:46 Sb: RMA's "common" command Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051 To: all Can anyone shed any light on the "common" assembler directive that is embedded in the "RMA". In the process of disassembling it, I came across this command in the list of commands, but it is not documented in the documentation (for the CoCo). An rdump of an rof with the -a option allows for common blocks, but as I mentioned, there is no mention of it in the docs. If you enter the line [space]common[space]3, for example, an rdump of the rof gives "1 common block, label, size 3, 0 references:. Oh, yes, common must have a label before it, too. I just wodered if we might be able to use it somehow. #: 17323 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 03-Jan-93 21:58:03 Sb: #Mail problem Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: All I've installed edition 11 of Microware's mail that came with my MM/1. It's a very different mail program than what I've become accustomed to over the years on various OS9/OSK systems... but no mater ... I've grown to like it. But! I seem to be having problems with the mail program respecting the group id of any particular user. Infact ... I've had to resort to making the user id and group id the same for each user. That is .. 0.0, 1.1, 2.2 ... and so on. Trying to use 0.0, 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 results in all 4 users seeing the same mail. Have I misunderstood something here? I should be able to establish different groups, with unique user id's within, jes? Or perhaps, have I missed something in the setup of mail? I'd be interested in any comments from other mail users. Thanks! *- Steve -* There are 2 Replies. #: 17324 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 04-Jan-93 23:09:38 Sb: #17323-#Mail problem Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Uh, Steve...don't know about the mail program. But do you have group and user mixed up. 0.0 is user 0, group 0; 2.0 is the same user. My understanding is that all users with the same group have equal access. Hence, user 3.4 and 3.2 can read the same files... maybe some sage can explain the logic of this. There is 1 Reply. #: 17329 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 06-Jan-93 07:59:38 Sb: #17324-Mail problem Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) > Uh, Steve...don't know about the mail program. But do you have group and user > mixed up. 0.0 is user 0, group 0; 2.0 is the same user. My understanding is > that all users with the same group have equal access. Hence, user 3.4 and 3.2 > can read the same files... maybe some sage can explain the logic of this. > Hi Bob .. thanks for the reply! Your understanding of the Group/User relationship is the same as mine. First number is the Group, second is the User. And you're correct .. my problem is so counter to the philosphy of OS9/OSK the error, most likely, is mine. But I'll be darned if I can find it! When I originally set up the MM/1, I applied this logic to the assignment of password file entries. I was defined as 0.0, of course, and all other users were established as 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 4.0 and so on. Th idea being that any user could establish other users in their group that could easily share material between themselves. But ... when I installed Microware's Mail, I quickly found out that it was treating mail sent by all my users as mail being sent by me (0.0). Furthermore, any mail I had in _my_ mail box was visible to _all_ my users. Changing their Grp/Uid entry to 1.1, 2.2, 3.3, 4.4, and so on, cured this problem ... but left me with another. How do I take advantage of the GROUP feature? I'm hoping someone from Microware will see this and toss out a couple of ideas for me to try. Thanks! *- Steve -* #: 17332 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 06-Jan-93 16:01:44 Sb: #17323-#Mail problem Fm: JBM Electronics 71174,3442 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) The numbers in the Microware Mail Mail.sys file are the user numbers from the password file, do not enter the group numbers from the password file. This way the same user (.uu) with always get their mail no matter what group they are logged in as. Put another way, each user on the system should always have a unique user number (.uu) but may appear in a number of groups (gg1.uu, gg2.uu, etc.). The mail system has no way of dealing with the group numbers as assigned in the password file. You can set up groups (lists) for mailing purposes ONLY in the mail.sys file, this is documented in that file. This might be easier to explain via voice? -J There is 1 Reply. #: 17341 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 07-Jan-93 17:30:33 Sb: #17332-#Mail problem Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: JBM Electronics 71174,3442 (X) So what you're telling me is this is a _feature_ .. not a bug? I'm aware of the operation of 'group list' and 'nickname' list. That's fine for mass mailing ... but my problem manifests itself in attempting to make use of an OSK standard ... Group/UID for user identification. Seem to be a problem to me ... but then .... *- Steve -* There is 1 Reply. #: 17364 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 13-Jan-93 08:50:52 Sb: #17341-#Mail problem Fm: Jay Truesdale [JBM] 71174,3442 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Yeah, well, I thought it was a bug/problem as well but MW explained it to me as a FEATURE! From their point of view, the UID should always be unique for an individual. That way the same person can be in many groups and still have the same UID. This way their mail software can find you no matter what group you log in under and you don't have to log in a bunch of times under different groups just to get all of your mail. It does make sense if you think of it this way. -J Truesdale There is 1 Reply. #: 17367 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 14-Jan-93 05:32:21 Sb: #17364-Mail problem Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Jay Truesdale [JBM] 71174,3442 (X) Yes ... I supposed it does make sense if you think of it in that way. Too bad it's taken me this long to come around. *- Steve -* #: 17325 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 05-Jan-93 10:39:10 Sb: #OSK Wishlist Fm: Clyde C. Price, Jr. 76616,3452 To: all Hey Folks! 1) Who has _any_ version of source-code to a program that will ZIP files as well as unzip them? Does anybody have working binaries for an OSK-ZIP program ("compatible" with MeSsy-DOS' PKZip programs)? I've accepted the offer of a loan on an XT (which I don't want) so I can create ZIPfiles of straight-ASCII texts for an organization/BBS which absolutely refuses *.LZH uploads. I'd MUCH rather do it on my MM/1. (Actually, I'd rather stick with LHA/*.lzh, but the folks I'm working with insist on being "compatible" and "mainstream". Arrgh!) - 2) Who has source code (or OSK binaries!) for a QWK-mail-reader? (especially one with TAGLINES!) - 3) When are we going to have a publicly released Usenet newsreader and uucp* set of programs for OSK? - 4) Do wo have available the routines that would allow an OSK machine to a) use MNP, V.32, V.42 error correction and b) auto-fallback for calling or answering to a modem with a lower baud-rate? - 5) Do we have a program that will "type" a textfile at 10cps or so into a messagebase that otherwise barfs at full-speed ASCII uploads? (I had a patience-exercising-experience trying to ASCII-upload this message into the Atlanta Computer Society BBS {404/636-2991} MM/1_Tech-Echo area. My second attempt at 300 baud worked.) - 6) Who has the PCFile Manager working on an MM/1, and HOW does one get it working? - This inquiring mind wants to know! - (Is my impatience showing?) - Clyde C. Price, Jr.-- preferred email: 76616.3452@compuserve.com P.O.Box 667, Red Oak, GA 30272-0667 USA 404/761-2327 /John 3:16 Coordinator of "The Text Project" for Atl.Christian Tech.Society GEnie: C.PRICE14 ACTS-BBS 404/633-2280 include There are 3 Replies. #: 17327 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 05-Jan-93 22:06:02 Sb: #17325-OSK Wishlist Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Clyde C. Price, Jr. 76616,3452 Can't answer all the ??s...but 1 - I do have source for a PKZIP unzipper. I guess you might be able to reverse engineer it to do packing...send me email if you want this and we can arrange to get a disk to you. I have posted a binary to lib 12 which appears to work. 3 - what's the problem with MNP v32? I have a modem doing all this and run it though sterm. No problems. 6 - the pcf file manager works fine on my mm/1. Do you have the latest editions of the disk drivers, etc. (I believe you need edition #4 to use pcf). It's just a matter of making sure that pcf and the nesc. descriptors are in memory. I just load mine when needed. #: 17330 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 06-Jan-93 07:59:48 Sb: #17325-OSK Wishlist Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Clyde C. Price, Jr. 76616,3452 - 3) When are we going to have a publicly released Usenet newsreader and > uucp* set of programs for OSK? Mike Haaland has been working furiously on a uucp/news package for the MM/1. We're close to seeing it as I understand. Hang tight! - 4) Do wo have available the routines that > would allow an OSK machine to > a) use MNP, V.32, V.42 error correction and > b) auto-fallback for calling or answering to a modem with a > lower baud-rate? I use a 9600 baud modem all the time with V.32/V.42 with no problems. You do need to use a serial port that has all the modem control lines such as /t3 or /t3 for best results. The port will also need to do hardware handshaking (RTS/CTS) for best results. Xmode /t3 type=80 does this nicely with the new drivers/descrptors available in LIB 12. 'fraid I can't help with the other questions ... but hang in there! *- Steve -* #: 17348 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 09-Jan-93 00:48:15 Sb: #17325-OSK Wishlist Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 To: Clyde C. Price, Jr. 76616,3452 There are a few different UUCP packages and NetNews systems available for OSK among them are CNews and Rick Adam's news software that comes with his UUCP package. Check the UNIX forum for source to QWK-mail-readers, I don't know of any binaries for OSK. As for ZIP, we do have an Un-Zipper, but no-one has attempted porting the UNIX Zipper as far as I know. (Maybe I should look into ZIP for OSK!) For your slow ASCII uploads, I think there is source for a program called slowio that will do the trick, if not, it's pretty trivial to write one: main() { char c; while (c = getc(stdin)) != EOF) { putc(c,stdout); } } call it from the command line like: slowio /tx Hope this helps, - Mike - PS there is RN for OSK too. #: 17326 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 05-Jan-93 18:24:36 Sb: #17023-#A New Terminal Program? Fm: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) I would be able to make use of a fax based software program on the tomcat tc70! There is 1 Reply. #: 17331 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 06-Jan-93 07:59:53 Sb: #17326-A New Terminal Program? Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143 > I would be able to make use of a fax based software program on the tomcat > tc70! > I'll amke sure Mark sees your message! User interest is a sure fire way to gain features! Thanks! *- Steve -* #: 17335 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 06-Jan-93 21:56:14 Sb: #Ved/68K upgrade Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: All For those of you who do not check the libraries on a regular basis for new uploads (wouldn't it be nice to have a "show new uploads" command which automagically alerted you of new uploads whenever you entered this forum?) I have uploaded a new product announcement for Ved 2.0. Registered owners of 1.x have been mailed upgrade letters... if you don't get yours please contact us! There are 2 Replies. #: 17337 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 07-Jan-93 11:53:45 Sb: #17335-Ved/68K upgrade Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) >Wouldn't it be nice to have a "show new uploads" command which >automagically alerted you of new uploads whenever you entered this forum? Yeah, but... For most folks, who already complain that they see the "News Flash" bulletin too often, having a list of a lot of files that they're not interested in would only make their online session less friendly. After all, the single command: BRO/LIB:ALL/AGE:x would display the new files in every library for "x" days, and can easily be added to a macro. To impose mandatory-read thingies on people has been demonstrated time and time again to be counterproductive. Believe me.. I've fought that battle a long, long, long time ago and lost. Wayne #: 17361 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 12-Jan-93 19:29:15 Sb: #17335-#Ved/68K upgrade Fm: Ken Gideon 72270,664 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) um, Did I ever get around to registering my vpt/ved? (I have ved serial# 10041, and vpt serial# 7715 if that helps, bought them at last years chicago cocofest... from CoCoPro...) There is 1 Reply. #: 17366 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 13-Jan-93 21:57:33 Sb: #17361-Ved/68K upgrade Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Ken Gideon 72270,664 Ken, nope...you never sent in the registration. I'll fill in the slots in my user log. Also, I'll mail out the update ann. to you. Still at 1230 S. Summit Dr? #: 17342 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 07-Jan-93 18:12:22 Sb: Disk Formats Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: All I was fooling around earlier with different disk formats and figured some of you might be interested in the results. This is on an mm/1 using ed #4 of rb36c65. sector size 256 512 1024 sct/track 36 21 11 ileave 2 2 2 trans. rate 18.6 21.6 23.02 meg/sec (read, write slower) disk cap. 1440 1680 1760 kilobytes You might note that using 1024 byte sectors you get a total storage appx. 33% greater than the 33 sector/track standard of the mm/1. Some cautions: you may not be able to exchange disks with other users (or even different disk drives) if you use the above formats and using a larger sector size means that more space may be lost with small files. Timing were done with Mark Griffith's 'ddtest' program. However, you may want to consider this for 'fsave' and 'lha' type backups of hard drives, etc. #: 17345 S1/General Interest 08-Jan-93 21:24:09 Sb: MM/1 System for sale Fm: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) I have to move, so I must sell my MM/1 system. It includes the two-board extended MM/1 system with 3 megs RAM, 105 MB Connor Hard Drive, CM-8 monitor, keyboard, official IMS case, 2 HD 3.5" floppies, all distribution software, OS-9/68000 v. 2.4 (complete with manuals), TOPS software, plus lots more (graphics, sound, applications). This system is in great condition and is ready to go (I'm using it to post this!). Asking price: $1350 takes everything (shipping included). If you are interested, or just have questions, please leave E-Mail, or even better, call me at [405] 372-6359. I really hate to part with it, but I really, REALLY need the cash. Potential parents, uh, owners must be kind and loving. ;) Thanks, --Colin [73777,1360] (If you call and I'm not home, PLEASE leave a message and I will get back to you!) #: 17346 S11/OS9/6809 (Non-CoCo) 08-Jan-93 23:29:38 Sb: #Monitor? Flex? OS9? Fm: blackbelt 76004,1771 To: ALL '09 users Hi there... I've got a bit of an odd request. :^) I'm an Amiga user; 68040 based machine, you may (or may not) be familiar with it. A favorite processor of mine has always been the 6809; I used to own various bus level systems, and I've designed a few into machines myself - done just tons of ASM programming for the '09, too. Well, one of my little projects has been to create a 6809 emulator - and as of this morning, it seems to be up and running 100%. The environment is simple - the '09 memory space, rom emulation, ram emulation and very limited device emulation (a 6850 ACIA to be precise). That's enough to do many things, among which are run flex or OS-9, given a system monitor and disk hardware emulation. I'm up to the emulation - what I'm looking for is a copy of Psymon or some other '09 monitor - I've got it running "Assist09", the monitor in the Motorola manual, just fine, but frankly, it stinks. :^) So, anyone have any ideas? Ben Williams There is 1 Reply. #: 17356 S11/OS9/6809 (Non-CoCo) 10-Jan-93 23:20:15 Sb: #17346-#Monitor? Flex? OS9? Fm: Tom Carey 71501,1544 To: blackbelt 76004,1771 (X) Ben. I have Psymon for the SWTP 6809. I think it is Rom. If that is any help let me know. I still have the old SWTP machine. I never got OS9 to run on it. I always had hopes. There is 1 Reply. #: 17358 S11/OS9/6809 (Non-CoCo) 11-Jan-93 23:48:19 Sb: #17356-Monitor? Flex? OS9? Fm: blackbelt 76004,1771 To: Tom Carey 71501,1544 That would be a huge help - in fact, how would you like to sell that SWTP, with goodies and etc? I'll be happy to swap some $$$ for it; DO you have Flex for it, or something else? We can carry this on EMAIL, that would be fine with me. CIS always seems to come through, doesn't it - I love this network, it's the best there is, period, end of story (and I do tech support for our company on BIX, the Internet, Portal, our own company BBS and Genie... I have some measuring sticks to compare by!) --Ben ...via AutoPilot #: 17347 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 08-Jan-93 23:33:22 Sb: It's Kevin! Fm: blackbelt 76004,1771 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 Kevin! Here you are... :^) Tried to call you the other day (see my message here in sec 11 for details) but the phone # I had was too old. Glad you're still floating around, I am. :^) How about emailing me your new particulars so I can chatter at you? Ben #: 17353 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 10-Jan-93 09:54:33 Sb: #17008-atari osk u.k. Fm: David George 72240,134 To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 I have an Atari Mega ST 2 with the OSK 2.2 (Microware version) that does support the ICD host adapter (nothing special was required). I have the ICD adapter with the clock on it (trouble is no OSK driver for it, also no driver for the clock that is on the Mega motherboard). Microware only supports the 520ST and the 1040ST although it will work on the other ST's. Also the Microware version does use the ST BIOS. #: 17355 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 10-Jan-93 22:22:10 Sb: a teaser Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: all Re: CD-ROMS - here is a teaser ;) rmcd2: cdrcat Root Directory Listing: Directory(/): flags size date sysa name -d---- 2048 1991-01-08 13:36:42 26 . -d---- 2048 1991-01-08 13:36:42 26 .. -d---- 2048 1991-01-08 13:42:39 26 DISCPASS --a--- 335244 1990-12-21 17:44:34 26 DISCPASSAGE.;1 -d---- 12288 1991-01-08 13:42:40 26 DP ------ 1870 1990-09-20 12:37:08 26 INSTALL.BAT;1 ------ 575616 1990-12-24 09:27:42 26 MENUTEXT.DAT;1 ------ 32400 1990-12-24 09:28:00 26 MENUTEXT.IDX;1 ------ 1339 1990-12-23 22:37:18 26 MSGTEXT.;1 ------ 307978 1990-06-22 13:33:30 26 PUBLISH.SCF;1 ------ 119747 1990-12-21 16:38:56 26 USH.EXE;1 -d---- 2048 1991-01-08 15:36:42 26 USHIST Pathname to open? : ushist Directory(ushist): flags size date sysa name -d---- 2048 1991-01-08 15:36:42 26 . -d---- 2048 1991-01-08 13:36:42 26 .. ------ 8192 1990-12-23 21:22:30 26 AUTHORS.IDX;1 ------ 12012 1990-12-23 21:21:52 26 AUTHORS.MAS;1 ------ 32768 1990-12-23 21:22:38 26 SUBJECTS.IDX;1 ------ 120403 1990-12-23 21:22:08 26 SUBJECTS.MAS;1 ------ 30720 1990-12-23 21:22:46 26 TITLES.IDX;1 ------ 104816 1990-12-23 21:22:20 26 TITLES.MAS;1 ------ 806912 1990-12-23 12:02:20 26 WORDS.IDX;1 ------ 15129617 1990-12-23 11:26:32 26 WORDS.MAS;1 Pathname to open? : rmcd2: #: 17359 S15/Hot Topics 12-Jan-93 05:02:39 Sb: CD-I in Trouble Fm: Eric Crichlow 71051,3516 To: All Just back from a Vegas Consumer Electronics Show that was very interesting (and somewhat disturbing.) Conspicuous by their absence was Philips, with CD-I. Surprising, at least to me, since they've actually started promoting it in tv ads yet they don't show up to the first, and probably the biggest trade show of the year. This bodes especially badly since one of the biggest displays at the show was Panasonic, which has joined forces with a company whose name escapes me, to produce a product called, if memory serves me correctly, 3D-O. Basically 3D-O is, well ... CD-I. It basically has everything that CD-I does, except that it uses a 32 bit RISC processor made by a company that I've never heard of, and it doesn't (at least I don't think) use our favorite Op Sys. Its got expansion ports on it for *possible* future expansion into a computer. And Panasonic seems to be pretty strong in support of it as they have already contracted with over 60 software companies to produce CD titles for it. Probably the most discouraging thing about the show was seeing the incredible detail, work, and quality that are apparent in the upcoming crop of computer and CD games and software products. Disturbing because it became apparent to me that the single, or even dou or trio of programmers can't hope to produce anything competive with, or even remotely interesting in comparison with the stuff being brought out by the big companies with teams of programmers. Make no doubt about it, the stuff coming out on CD in the next year is unbelieveable. ..Eric... P.S. As an aside, at least somebody out there is using CD-I. I just today discovered that the Ramada Reservation Center (where I work) is using a Philips CD-I player to familiarize its agents with the hotels they're selling. Go Ramada! #: 17370 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 14-Jan-93 18:11:42 Sb: Termcap Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: David George 72240,134 David, I finally got around to printing a copy of the termcap file you uploaded. I notice that some of the entries have a (G), * or ** (and combinations) appended to the end of the line. Ummm, what does this mean? BTW, this is really very comprehensive. Seems to cover printers and modems as well as some pretty fancy terminals. Press !>