#: 10569 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 03-May-91 22:34:29 Sb: #10565-Tsmon Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X) Bob - I had written up some patches for TSMON/LOGIN for using LI's under LII some time ago (in fact, I believe they were published in Kevin Darlings INSIDE OS9 LII book). They may be in DL10 or DL9. If not, SOMEONE will have access to them. Pete #: 10572 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 04-May-91 09:01:34 Sb: #10565-Tsmon Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X) Bob, Mark Griffith has posted a robust replacement of tsmon and login for his UUCp package. It's in LIB 8. Look for LOGIN.AR under Mark's PPN [76070,41]. Steve #: 10570 S1/General Interest 03-May-91 22:36:04 Sb: #10567-X10 source AR Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob - I wonder if it's stuff that Carl K. took from my 6809 stuff and ported to 68k? Pete P.S. X10ar2.ar has been located (thanks Bill!) and re-uploaded to DL6. #: 10571 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 04-May-91 00:42:38 Sb: #disk partitions Fm: Bill Irwin 74730,24 To: all Some time ago I saw a product advertised that allow you to use part of a hard drive for basic and part for OS9. I don't remember the name of the product or the company. Does anyone know of such a product. I am using shell+ 2.1 and I divided my CMDS directory into three parts. After defining extra paths the these directories everthing runs fine, except icannot load commands from these directories without using full path list. Does anyone know of a way around this, such as a LOAD command that makes use of the path list provided by shell+? thank Bill Irwin There are 2 Replies. #: 10579 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 04-May-91 20:49:34 Sb: #10571-#disk partitions Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 To: Bill Irwin 74730,24 (X) One such product is Hyper-I/O from Burke&Burke. There is 1 Reply. #: 10580 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 04-May-91 22:08:44 Sb: #10579-disk partitions Fm: Bill Irwin 74730,24 To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X) Thanks for the information. Bill #: 10593 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 06-May-91 09:34:48 Sb: #10571-disk partitions Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Bill Irwin 74730,24 (X) Hyper I/O from Burke and Burke will allow OS9/RS-DOS partitioning, but it won't do any thing for the pathing problem that you mentioned. (Not that I'm aware of anyway.) Lee #: 10573 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 04-May-91 11:26:28 Sb: #10506-#Help with Shell+! Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Well, here's how I have it in my program. Its after I close all paths that I have open. The syntax was SHELL "tmode echo" or SHELL "tmode -echo" at the beginning of the program. I had better results when I set it as a varible first. e.g. b$="tmode echo"\ SHELL b$ After the 201 error would occur, then it went into debug mode and scroll like this: D:what? D:what? D:what? The only way I could make it quit was to turn off the computer and reboot. Needless to say, I would sometimes have to rewrite something that I had programmed in. What a pain! I started saving everything before I would test run it from then on. Thanks for the help. :-) There is 1 Reply. #: 10576 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 04-May-91 13:28:57 Sb: #10573-#Help with Shell+! Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: George Hendrickson 71071,2003 (X) Hmmmm. Sounds like you managed to close the standard paths, so that poor old BASIC09 would try to read a command in debug mode and fail. Check the places in your code where you explicitly close paths, and make sure you have the path numbers you intend to close in the variables that appear after the # in the CLOSE command. There is 1 Reply. #: 10953 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-Jun-91 03:28:54 Sb: #10576-Help with Shell+! Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) I checked all my code and the path varibles where correct. It just seemed to get stuck in a B:What? loop every once in a while. It would be all right after I rebooted. I t got caught in that loop if I had been multitasking alot..it was wierd... #: 10574 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 04-May-91 13:08:04 Sb: #10558-#FD502 2nd Drive Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) I have found the FD500 series of power supplies very marginal. I have two half-height drives hooked to mine and one day the transformer smoked out (overloaded) Since then I replaced it (using two larger transformers a 18V and a 12V 2 amp each from RS) for the two regulators and bought the 1" micro fan from them. Using a small dropping resistor to quiet the fan (plus you don't need all the windflow) it runs quiet and cool now. The transformers are outside the case now. I dunno one of these days I think ill just get a big switching power supply and run all my drives from it and eliminate the hassles (plus save plus in my strip!) Mike There is 1 Reply. #: 10577 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 04-May-91 14:42:04 Sb: #10574-#FD502 2nd Drive Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715 (X) What I am starting to think of doing is designing my own power supply and making it completely external. I will then remove the present AC cord and put in its place a new cable for power which will terminate where the present supply does. I'm thinking of designing so I have total control over the size of the transformer, the filter capacitor and/or inductor, and the degree of regulation. Just one other problem tho: I still have some warranty time which I would rather not kill; RS has told me that installing a second drive will not void it, after all, the manual has step-by-step instructions There is 1 Reply. #: 10583 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-May-91 11:38:18 Sb: #10577-#FD502 2nd Drive Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Well you could try the second drive to see if the power supply gives you problems. If you order the drive from them it should include the fan but probably the best bet is to buy the drive third party and save some $$$. The two connectors are already in there. just a matter of plugging it in and your set. One word of caution. the FD502's sometimes don't turn the motors on without a drive select. I don't know if they corrected the problem but if your adding a second drive you must check for this. Simply do a dir1 (in rsdos) and look and see if drive 0 motor is spinning. then do a dir0 and look at drive1's motor. Mike There is 1 Reply. #: 10591 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-May-91 21:05:18 Sb: #10583-#FD502 2nd Drive Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715 (X) I'm not about to pay $180 for a 360K disk drive, so I have already gone third-party. In fact, I was supposed to have gotten that drive five days ago. There is 1 Reply. #: 10885 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 31-May-91 09:54:33 Sb: #10591-FD502 2nd Drive Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) don't blame ya. 360K drives can be found cheaper in many places. Rainbow to start. and computer shopper. Mike #: 10588 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-May-91 20:07:22 Sb: #10470-FD502 2nd Drive Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) A note from the incautious side- I added a TEAC 55B to my FD-501 about three years ago. No problems yet, although it needed a new connector crimped on, since the TEAC's slot was on the wrong side and Tandys ribbon couldn't reach. Don't know if they changed the power supply, but it couldn't get much cheaper. Good luck with the upgrade:-) Rick Ulland 70540,3305 #: 10575 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 04-May-91 13:12:39 Sb: #CoCo1 problem Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715 To: all I have a weird question. I have an old CoCo1 (F-board) and it runs fine except with a disk controller. Rom paks work and basic works fine but plugging in a known good controller causes it to show garbage on the screen and gives the appearance that the controller is zapped! but taking the controller and plugging it into another machine it works fine. Any idea which chip in the CoCo could be bad? (has to be the machine) I can't locate my old service manuals for the CoCo1. The controllers used for the test was a FD502 controller, Sardis, and a hard drive specilist. none work in the CoCo1 but all work in other machines just fine. Mike There is 1 Reply. #: 10581 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-May-91 00:55:56 Sb: #10575-#CoCo1 problem Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715 (X) Sounds like there's something fried in the 6883 SAM chip, Mike. It's the interface between the 6809 and the Disk controller... and some of the ports are used only for the disk timing, which wouldn't be used on a ROMPack. Wayne There is 1 Reply. #: 10584 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-May-91 11:40:08 Sb: #10581-CoCo1 problem Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715 To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X) ok ill try to replace the SAM chip. I just misplaced my coco1 service manuals and wanted to get this mach8ine running as a test machine. Thanks for the hint Mike #: 10582 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon 05-May-91 03:38:39 Sb: RiBBS 2.0 help Fm: John Wight 76370,2100 To: edward langenback 73510,145 (X) Well, as I said, changing colors shouldn't cause an error #203 in menuedit. At this point I would suggest making sure the modules are merged as described in the docs, and of course make sure the execution biits are set. You might also check and make sure the path nam is correct in option 1 of Rconfig. The path to the menus should be a path to a directory. I would hate to tell you to start from scratch, but even I had to do this a time or two. But after I got the first version of RiBBS running, I had no problems installing the late version. So go back and check your work, and let me know the results in detail. I do check in here about once a week, so feel free to ask for help, since there doesn't seem to be a node that carries the RiBBS echo in your area. There are a few a state away, however. If you should be a member of Delphi, there are some RiBBS sysops that get together there on Saturday Evenings. Warren Hrach also puts together a RiBBS to Go package, with RiBBS already set up ready to run on about 5 floppies. You can contact him at his BBS, Ocean Beach (1-619-224-4878 300/1200/2400 baud) #: 10585 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-May-91 15:09:56 Sb: #10460-#GONE! Fm: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137 To: Mike Ward 76703,2013 (X) Thanks Mike. I just got the game a couple of weeks ago (at $4.95! I guess R.S. is really giving up on the Coco) and I've made it to rift 20, but I can't seem to whip the last nasty. Help, anybody? Bruce There is 1 Reply. #: 10586 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-May-91 16:57:07 Sb: #10585-#GONE! Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013 To: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137 (X) I think you have to take out the last nasty with a bomb. There is 1 Reply. #: 10685 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 15-May-91 20:56:52 Sb: #10586-#GONE! Fm: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137 To: Mike Ward 76703,2013 (X) Thanks Mike. I didn't run accross any bomb (that I recogmized) in the modules. I guess I'll replay them and try to find one. Bruce There is 1 Reply. #: 10695 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 16-May-91 07:44:31 Sb: #10685-#GONE! Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013 To: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137 (X) As I recall, the "bombs" look like old time stamp-pad stamps. Good luck! There is 1 Reply. #: 10795 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 21-May-91 23:04:08 Sb: #10695-GONE! Fm: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137 To: Mike Ward 76703,2013 (X) Thanks! I've seen those! Watch out Nasties! By the way, you really get around. I couldn't help but notice your name on the MIDI forum (I'm working on getting something together in that line. Bruce #: 10587 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-May-91 17:11:20 Sb: #hardware I/O Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 To: Rick Ulland Remember all the DECB I/O boards mapped to $FF40-$FF47? Is there any way to do this under OS9? I'm guessing to switch slots(how) to PEEK/POKE, but the system will be multi at the time. Thanks, Rick Ulland 70549,3305 There is 1 Reply. #: 10630 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 09-May-91 14:38:45 Sb: #10587-#hardware I/O Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X) Rick - sorry for delay in response. Yes, you'd just poke the slot switch, but in order to stay out of each other's way, driver programmers adopted a plan back in early 1988 for this. Here's an old copy: Driver Coordination Specs ========================= 1. Drivers that change the SCS slot should set D.DMAReq so that the floppy driver will know to hold off motor shutdown. Custom floppy controllers may not have to do this, but other drivers should if the production CC3Disk and it's clones might be used in a system. 2. A floppy driver may assume at all times (except in its IRQ entry if used) that the MPI slot has been reset to the floppy controller. Again, this is for backward compatibility with CC3Disk. 3. Therefore, any driver that changes SCS in normal operation should: set D.DMAReq save the old slot set new slot do cmd setup code reset old slot clear D.DMAReq 3b. If you F$Sleep, reset the slot to the floppy first of course. 4. IRQ routines should: save the old slot set new slot do irq code reset old slot 5. Interrupt-driven devices that rely on GIME CART irq's should toggle the enable bit to allow use of multiple irq-driven devices either on the same main irq slot, or with MPI's that have all CARTs tied together. Example code in your interrupt routine (in addition to #4 above): .... clear source device interrupt ldb $FF92 clear enable stb >$FF92 reset enable 6. If you don't use or set the CTS (slot for interrupt), be sure to use a mask algorithm to leave it as-is when you switch slots, so that interrupts from another device (like the RS232 pak) may get through while your code is running normally. There is 1 Reply. #: 10798 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 22-May-91 00:19:50 Sb: #10630-#hardware I/O Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Thanks for the info. Don't know when I can use it, since I'm still unable to bag the elusive DevPak. I'm wanting to put CoCo,disk drive, and all into a little red wagon and teach it to navigate itself,so I still have a *bear* oof a hardware problem shock-proofing a multi-pak CoCo anyway. So far I can't even keep DECB up past a bump or two, and bumping into things seems to be the rule right now.Mebbe I'll get a BIG ROLL of solder... Rick There is 1 Reply. #: 10799 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 22-May-91 00:57:06 Sb: #10798-hardware I/O Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X) Rick - seems to me that some MPIs sat a little higher than the coco-3, and that causes some problems. Yeah, I hate it when I jiggle the MPI by accident, also! Perhaps you could buy/make one of those MPI holder thingies: it's a plastic piece that fits under both and holds them together. Altho actually, about once a month I *have* to wiggle the MPI to "clean" up the connectors a bit ;-) #: 10589 S1/General Interest 05-May-91 20:11:42 Sb: #10483-#my articles Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X) I'm new to the service and not very agile. Could you tell me where to find these articles? Very interested esp. in CoCo bugs. Thanx, Rick Ulland 70540,3305 There is 1 Reply. #: 10649 S1/General Interest 11-May-91 22:26:36 Sb: #10589-#my articles Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464 To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X) Hi Rick, Lessee the quickest way to scan for my files would be to use the following command while in any particular LIBrary: BRO *.*[76476,464] Just like that. That'll show you everything I've uploaded with my CIS ID. The articles are spread around in different libraries since they cover different topics, some CoCo-specific, some generic. I have some files in LIB 2 Tutorial, LIB 4 MIDI, LIB 7 Telecom, LIB 9 Utilities, and of course LIB 10 OS9/CoCo. I've uploaded these same files to Delphi (and GEnie I *think*) so it might be cheaper to call those places and get these files if you'd rather. (I *wish* the OS9 Users Group would consider "moving" to a cheaper place to "live".) Lemme know what ya think! -- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464). There is 1 Reply. #: 10663 S1/General Interest 13-May-91 06:44:42 Sb: #10649-my articles Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X) Paul, Just for your info...another (shorter) way is: s [76476,464] But then we're talking just a couple of keystrokes, eh? Dan #: 10590 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-May-91 20:49:49 Sb: #10568-#TSMON Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Kev, I dl'd LOGIN2.PAT from lib 10 as you suggested. The only problem is that the patch is in the DEBUG format. I don't have DEBUG, but I do have MODPATCH of course, AND also dEd from these libraries. With dEd I can change any value in any module. Can you tell me how I read the DEBUG commands and how I can apply them to either MODPATCH or dEd??? I understand that for example =49 means to change the value to 49, but I'm confused about things like . .+52 what does that mean? I'm just NOT familiar with DEBUG! Thanx Kev! Bob There are 2 Replies. #: 10592 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 06-May-91 04:20:24 Sb: #10590-TSMON Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X) Bob, I think under debug, a ". .+$xx" means to go forward xx bytes from the last set position. Which in the case of Pete's file, is always from the last "l" for "link" command. Each "=" after that goes forward one address. So, say one section has: l modulename . .+45 = dd = ff You would translate that under Modpatch to be: l modulename (unless already done) c 0045 00 dd c 0046 00 ff Actually, I don't know if modpatch will do those changes if the old byte doesn't match. Hmm. So you might need to dump or ded the module and see what the old bytes at those offsets were first (oops.. you said you had dEd, so no problem... just go to that offset(s) and change them!). - kev #: 10594 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 06-May-91 12:54:28 Sb: #10590-#TSMON Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X) Bob - The syntax '. .+52' translates literally to: Set the current location pointer to the value of the current location pointer +52. Keeping a list of what the offsets translate to, you could probably: 1) Use dEd to modify it (use a copy!) 2) Write a quick C or B09 program to layer in those changes at the appropriate file offsets. Pete P.S. Or you could get someone with DEBUG to make the changes for you. There is 1 Reply. #: 10595 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 06-May-91 18:56:01 Sb: #10594-#TSMON Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, I still have a couple of problems. First, the first changes you make are right in the message that LOGIN prints- "Password?" Somehow I don't think that is what you intended. Secondly, the last change is at .+49B , that is a problem because the LOGIN file I have is only 3E8 long. Third, you l login quite a few times. If the next offset is . .+71 is that +71 from the last change or +71 from the beginning? I have a feeling that something is drastically wrong here. Any guidance would be gratefully appreciated!!! Bob There is 1 Reply. #: 10596 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 06-May-91 19:05:50 Sb: #10595-#TSMON Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X) Sounds as if you have a different login than the one the patch applies to. I don't recall, but it probably applies to LI V 2.00's Login. The purpose of performing multiple 'l login's is to reset the current position pointer to the beginning of the module so I can deal with absolute offsets (rather than having to compute the difference between two offsets). Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10610 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 07-May-91 18:30:07 Sb: #10596-#TSMON Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) OK Pete, That is what I was afraid of. So if my login was the same one that your patch was for, then I would be able to use dEd and use the .+xx as offsets from the beginning of the module. That's what I thought in the beginning. What confused me was the last change .+49b MY login is only 3e8 long !! MUST be the wrong one. Any idea where I could get one that works? I tried a couple of the replacements here on OS-9 libraries...NONE of them worked at all. If only I knew someone with a Dev Pak !! Bob There are 2 Replies. #: 10621 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 08-May-91 09:11:57 Sb: #10610-#TSMON Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X) Do you have a LII box? Have you considered MTSMON? It's a multiple TSMON/LOGIN that won't create a new process for every tty line and therefore conserves precious system space (i.e. no allocation of 512 byte process descriptors for each). It's more complex than using Tsmon/Login, and you may have to make some system chnages (password file format, add a few files). Bill Dickhaus took the generic LII version and COCOfied it. You may wanto to give him a jingle. Another thought is with LII's being sold off cheaply ($10) these days, perhaps the DEV KIT is being sold off as well? In the meantime, try to find a copy of the original TSMON for LI v 2.00. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10623 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 08-May-91 18:14:12 Sb: #10621-#TSMON Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, I thought of getting a DEV KIT cheaply, also. However, finding one is like "hens' teeth" as the saying goes, virtually impossible to find. The TSMON/Login I have was from a Level One V. 1.01.00, probably why the file is different? If you're sure that your patch works on the Level One V. 2.00.00, I'll stop by a RS this weekend and pick one up for $9.95, it would seem to be the easiest way - IF you're sure it'll work :-) Thanx a lot! Bob There are 2 Replies. #: 10627 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 09-May-91 01:35:29 Sb: #10623-#TSMON Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X) Bob - Better confirm with Kevin on the module's contents.... I haven't seen a coco in over 4 years.... Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10634 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 09-May-91 19:11:32 Sb: #10627-TSMON Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Thanx Pete, I'll se what Kevin has to say! Bob #: 10629 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 09-May-91 01:50:18 Sb: #10623-#TSMON Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X) Bob - I can't confirm it, but probably worthwhile to get the L-I 2.0 kit if your dealer has one, anyway. Offer him $2 or something, since L-II has been going for $10 lately ;-). There is 1 Reply. #: 10635 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 09-May-91 19:13:19 Sb: #10629-#TSMON Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Kev, I checked around for L-1 2.0 but all the RS around here seem to have V 1.01.00 only. Oh well... Bob There is 1 Reply. #: 10656 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 12-May-91 12:50:46 Sb: #10635-#TSMON Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X) ~ I've got a slightly dog-eared copy of the Level I, version 2.00.00 upgrade package that you can have for $5.00 plus postage. It consists of a 1/4" thick, (or so), manual, which explains the "new" commands which it contained, along with 1 or 2 disks. Leave an address in email if you're interested. I didn't see the start of the thread, so I'm not sure why you're looking for 2.00.00. This upgrade package does require that you already have OS9 Level I and it's docs. There is 1 Reply. #: 10658 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 12-May-91 17:57:57 Sb: #10656-#TSMON Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 To: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 (X) Chris, Could you check that 1/4" manual and see if the upgrade affected the LOGIN command? If so, how was it changed? That is why I'm looking for V 2.00.00, because a patch on these libraries will suppoesedly patch it to work with OS-9 Level Two. Thanx Bob There is 1 Reply. #: 10666 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 13-May-91 17:28:07 Sb: #10658-#TSMON Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X) I know for a fact that the patch for login works on ONE of the original Tandy logins. I can also include a know-to-be-good copy of a level II login, if you'd like. There is 1 Reply. #: 10684 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 15-May-91 18:49:58 Sb: #10666-#TSMON Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 To: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 (X) Chris, Thank you for the offer, but I managed to get LOGIN working correctly (FINALLY)! I appreciate your response and it would have been my only way out, IF I didn't get it working. Thanx again! Bob There is 1 Reply. #: 10719 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 17-May-91 19:34:18 Sb: #10684-TSMON Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X) Glad you got everything working, Bob! #: 10631 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 09-May-91 16:13:15 Sb: #10610-#TSMON Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X) I've used most, if not all, of the TSMON replacements (at least for testing) that are in the DLs here. As I recall, some of them use different names for the "password" file than does the stock version. Also, when you invoke TSMON (any version that allegedly works), you usually have to be pointing to the ROOT directory, so that TSMON (LOGIN actually) can get access to the SYS directory, where the "password" files. Also, concerning the "password" file, even if the replacement TSMON/LOGIN programs use the same name, often the format of the entries within the "password" files vary from program to program. You can start TSMON from any directory as long as (for LOGIN) you have a SYS directory nested in whatever directory you're using as the current data directory when you initiate TSMON /Tx&. Lee There is 1 Reply. #: 10633 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 09-May-91 19:10:19 Sb: #10631-#TSMON Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) Lee, Which TSMON replacement (available here) do you recommend? Which one seems to work the best (or at all :-)) I curse Tandy (what else is new?) for not putting it in with Level Two like they did with Level One. Oh well, how else could they make another $99 on a Dev Pack? Thanx Bob There is 1 Reply. #: 10638 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 10-May-91 09:28:23 Sb: #10633-#TSMON Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X) It seems like I had pretty good luck with TZMON. I think you can use the keyword "TSMON" to search for it. Lee There is 1 Reply. #: 10642 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 11-May-91 13:59:04 Sb: #10638-#TSMON Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) That's funny Lee, I tried TZMON and it didn't work for me at all. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, could you tell me briefly how to set it up? Wasn't that written in C, does that mean I need C to run the program? (I don't have C). Or maybe I just have something set up wrong! Any help would be gratefully appreciated!! Thanx Bob There is 1 Reply. #: 10643 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 11-May-91 14:50:30 Sb: #10642-#TSMON Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X) Lee, Disregard the last message, I figured out how it works. But we're looking at it from the wrong end. TZMON still uses the regular LOGIN to work. The stock TSMON is NOT my problem, LOGIN is! I need a version of LOGIN that works with Level Two. TSMON, password motd, all work FINE! I don't know, I'm about ready to give up on this. If only I knew someone with a dev pack, I'd just copy the &#$%&"'% file :-) Bob There is 1 Reply. #: 10654 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 12-May-91 10:51:00 Sb: #10643-#TSMON Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X) Bob, Mark Griffith's LOGIN package doesn't work for you? It's in LIB 8 and should be pretty roubust. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 10661 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 12-May-91 20:58:02 Sb: #10654-#TSMON Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, I downloaded that LOGIN.AR package and naturally, it doesn't work. I can't get past the password. It won't recognize my password file (from stock TSMON/LOGIN) nor will it create it's own (using the adduser utility in the package). I do have all the appropriate execute attributes set, so that's not the problem. Can you give me an example of how the password (/dd/sys/password) file SHOULD be set up? Maybe that will help me out. Of course, the docs are not the clearest in the world so maybe you could give me a quick lesson on the entire system set up (ONLY what is required to use LOGIN)!! Thanx! Bob There is 1 Reply. #: 10664 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 13-May-91 08:18:03 Sb: #10661-#TSMON Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X) Bob, Marks password file is in stock Microware format. Fielded data, delimited by commas, starting with User Name, password, ID#, priorty, execution directory, user directory and program to fork. The only 'gotcha' is the password field is encrypted, so stuff that with six zeros for starters. You can always use the password command later to reassign properly encrypted passwords later. Make sure public read is set and you should be fine. Let me know ... Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 10668 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 13-May-91 21:22:09 Sb: #10664-#TSMON Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, It now seems to accept the passwords OK. Starting with 6 zeros and then using the password command worked. Now all I get is "can't open user log file". Can you tell me exactly what files NEED to be present for this thing to work and how they are set-up? Thanx in advance!! Bob There is 1 Reply. #: 10672 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 14-May-91 07:54:28 Sb: #10668-#TSMON Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X) Bob, I would have thought LOGIN would have created the necessary files it needed _if_ they didn't exisit. But no matter ... In /dd/log each user has a .login file that contains the following info: DATE TIME in the following format Tue May 14 08:45:44 1991 file name is in the format of username.login (e.g. steve.login) It is from this file the system can report your last login date. Keep us posted. This version is far better than any stock LOGIN that is floating about. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 10683 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 15-May-91 18:39:17 Sb: #10672-#TSMON Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Thank You Steve, I was finally able to get it working using the info you gave me. It appears that the ADDUSER.BIN file in that package doesn't work and that should have created these files. But once I did it "manually" it worked. One problem still remains however. When I do a - tsmon /t2& and someone logs on the system. When they get the username, password and OS9 prompts, they also get a period, like this: OS9:. Then he must delete that period and type the command (or password, etc.) or there will be an error. When I try it on /term or a different window ( tsmon /w7&, for example) everything displays perfectly. What do you think is causing it to send out a period across the modem after each prompt?? If that can be fixed, then it will work perfectly! Your assistance is appreciated muchly :-) Thanx! Bob There is 1 Reply. #: 10693 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 16-May-91 07:35:06 Sb: #10683-#TSMON Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X) Bob, As mentioned somewhere before ... a dot is _generally_ an indication of a control character being passed. I'm not really sure _why_ you're seeing this. You shouldn't. Who's/what tsmon are you using? Do you get the same thing using the tsmon that Mark posted with his LOGIN package? Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 10706 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 16-May-91 18:32:18 Sb: #10693-#TSMON Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, I'm currently using TSMON from Level One with Mark's LOGIN package. That package did NOT include a TSMON with it. Bob There is 1 Reply. #: 10711 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 17-May-91 07:33:39 Sb: #10706-#TSMON Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X) Bob, Might want to drop in one of the replacement tsmon found in LIB 8 and see if they fair better. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 10718 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 17-May-91 18:46:31 Sb: #10711-#TSMON Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, I now have it working perfectly!!! The problem was that the terminal that was logged on thru /t2 was sending linefeeds. When he set the terminal to send only carriage returns, that solved the problem. Thanks so much for all your help! Bob There is 1 Reply. #: 10728 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 18-May-91 09:13:34 Sb: #10718-TSMON Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X) Way to go, Bob! Sometimes the only way to solve these problems is to dog 'em 'till they die. Makes perfect sense now that you can look back and review. Steve #: 10597 S7/Telecommunications 06-May-91 19:13:46 Sb: #10475-#SACIA Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X) ~ Hugo, Since the RS-232 Pak is in slot 1, and if the floppy controller is in slot 4, then you may want to stick with the standard $03 slot select code in the SACIA driver. Unless you want to use the B&B autoboot code, and I'm really not too sure how that works. I suppose if you have the MPI's external slot select switch set to slot 3, then the $02 MPI slot select code would be what you want in the SACIA driver. Since all this happens after OS-9 boots up I really don't know how much difference it makes. I guess what I'm saying is, experiment, and please let me know what works! Bruce PS: I almost missed your message to me because my PPN wasn't in the "To:" address. To make sure I see future messages, please include my PPN (76625,2273). There is 1 Reply. #: 10612 S7/Telecommunications 07-May-91 21:52:35 Sb: #10597-#SACIA Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X) Bruce, The way I have things currently, I boot directly with the hard disk using B&B's XT-ROM. The MPI slot switch is set for slot 3 and the B&B interface is located in slot 3. The floppy controller is in slot 4, but I don't power up the floppies unless I'm doing some file moves. To tell you the truth, I don't see much difference using $03 or $02 at offset $0014. I just figured I'd ask you for the correct numbers just to have things j-u-s-t right. Also by the way, I have strapped together the pin 8's of slots 1 and 3 (locations of rs232 and B&B, respectively). The reason I'm asking all this is that I'm running Mark's UUCP, but the system hasn't been 100% bulletproof as sometimes I get missed characters, and such. The strange thing is, it ONLY happens with UUCP, I have NEVER experienced lost characters with OSTerm, Sterm, or any other com package. I figured by setting things up per spec, I might solve the problem. Hugo UUCP: (rutgers,njin)!fdurt1!kc2wz!bluehaus!hugo There is 1 Reply. #: 10646 S7/Telecommunications 11-May-91 15:34:30 Sb: #10612-#SACIA Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X) ~ Hugo, Since you only occasionally miss characters when using UUCP, I'd think that UUCP was probably just a touch slower with Rx than any of the other programs you mention. Perhaps adding one more page to the Rx buffer is worthwhile, just to handle the occasional UUCP buffer overflow? It should just be an Rx buffer overflow, unless UUCP masks IRQs a lot, which I'm sure Mark wouldn't do. Bruce There is 1 Reply. #: 10659 S7/Telecommunications 12-May-91 19:32:10 Sb: #10646-#SACIA Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X) I guess UUCP might be slower on the Rx than Sterm, I hadn't thought of that. Hey while we're on the subject of Rx/Tx, could you explain the difference between hardware and software flow control? Is one better than the other? I was thinking that maybe I should enable some sort of flow control.... Hugo There is 1 Reply. #: 10660 S7/Telecommunications 12-May-91 20:47:51 Sb: #10659-#SACIA Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X) Hugo, The difference between hardware and software flow control is usually the difference between the flow control being part of the data stream (on the Rx and Tx lines) or being on separate lines. The distinctions beyond that tend to get blurred. Basically, if I say software flow control I mean that one end transmits a character (usually XOFF, or ^S) to tell the other end to stop transmitting, and then transmits a different character (usually XON, or ^Q) to tell the other end it is OK to transmit again. Hardware handshake (to me) usually refers to any of the other RS-232 control lines, such as DSR/DTR or CTS/RTS handshaking. Depending on the serial chip (or hardware) used, these "hardware" handshakes may be partially or totally under software control. Does that make any sense to you? I'm not sure it makes sense to me... Bruce There is 1 Reply. #: 10662 S7/Telecommunications 12-May-91 21:39:59 Sb: #10660-#SACIA Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X) Not totally clear on that. Is hardware control from modem-to-modem or computer-to-modem? I'm still having difficulties with UUCP so I'll try anything that will stop these annoying problems. It's amazing, my coco dislikes communications, but only sometimes. First your tsutils didn't work, now uucp works great for several days, then it completely fails every time, etc etc.. Hugo Ps. Pretty quick response there! There is 1 Reply. #: 10676 S7/Telecommunications 14-May-91 23:01:59 Sb: #10662-#SACIA Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X) ~ Hugo, Hardware and software handshaking may be computer to computer, computer to modem, or whatever. I think of it more in terms of Tx/Rx data (software) handshake or separate pairs (CTS/RTS, DSR/DTR) of lines that are dedicated to (hardware) handshaking. Bruce There is 1 Reply. #: 10680 S7/Telecommunications 15-May-91 17:08:18 Sb: #10676-#SACIA Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X) So, if I set SACIA for hardware flow control, it's computer to modem? Hugo By the way, I'm losing characters using SACIA with UUCP. I should verify what happens with the ACIAPAK I had been using... There is 1 Reply. #: 10732 S7/Telecommunications 18-May-91 16:41:12 Sb: #10680-#SACIA Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X) ~ Hugo, Hardware and/or software flow control have nothing to do with the difference between computer to computer and computer to modem connections. Either method of flow control may (or may not) be used with either type of connection. The difference (to my way of thinking) is whether or not the flow control is transmitted with the data stream. That is, if the flow control consists of special characters that both ends agree on to tell each other when to send and when to not send (typically XON and XOFF characters) then I consider that to be software flow control. If the flow control consists of control/status lines that are not the Tx/Rx lines, then I consider that to be hardware flow control. Bruce PS: I can't recall, were you using one of "my" Clock modules together with SACIA in your boot file? There is 1 Reply. #: 10741 S7/Telecommunications 18-May-91 20:37:04 Sb: #10732-#SACIA Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X) I just recently installed a diode irq hack. Therefore, I figured your "special" clock module would be redundant. I'm now using the standard Microware clock.60hz. Unfortunately, the diode hack didn't solve my uucp problems as the same thing happened today ( I assume lost characters and/or bad data in some way). By the way, I'm using SACIA.mpi, slots 1 and 3 of the mpak have their pin-8's strapped. The rs232 pak is in slot 1 and the B&B controller is in slot 3. My final final attempt to solve the uucp problems will be to replace the 6551 chip with a 6551A. If that doesn't work, I guess uucp will have to wait until I get a new 68000 machine. Hugo There are 2 Replies. #: 10758 S7/Telecommunications 19-May-91 09:38:20 Sb: #10741-#SACIA Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X) Hugo, Let me toss in my two cents: With every report of interupt type problems, the unit had the _diode_ hack in place. The success of the diode hack seems to be in direct relation to where the diodes were purchased. Seems the Shack has a batch of bad diodes. Rather than rip that out, the easy solution would be to use the new Clock routine that handles interupts correctly. There should be no reason why they can't co-exisist. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 10767 S7/Telecommunications 19-May-91 20:24:44 Sb: #10758-#SACIA Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Is there a way to check if a diode is bad (with a VOM?) Hugo (I'm beginning to think my problem may be software related) My problem is, Osterm and STERM work fine with my current setup. UUCP works error free, maybe 40% of the time. My system seems to be the only one suffering these problems. There is 1 Reply. #: 10775 S7/Telecommunications 20-May-91 07:27:12 Sb: #10767-#SACIA Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X) Hugo ... Shades of my high school Basic Electronic class have surfaced with someting about testing diodes with a VOM. Perhaps continuity in one dirrction only indicates a properly functioning diode. Those lurking ... please be kind. High School was 16 years ago .... :-) Steve There are 2 Replies. #: 10776 S7/Telecommunications 20-May-91 11:47:57 Sb: #10775-#SACIA Fm: Robert A. Hengstebeck 76417,2751 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Gee, I didn't even get that information when I was in High School 30 years ago. I had to wait until engineering courses in college for diodes and tubes. Transistors I found out about later. Its a good thing that I had trouble with electronics, so I went into some other engineering field, like aerospace. Now you can't do aerospace without electronics. Darn. There is 1 Reply. #: 10785 S7/Telecommunications 21-May-91 07:13:06 Sb: #10776-SACIA Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Robert A. Hengstebeck 76417,2751 (X) But then again Robert .... I had this 'unnatural' interest in electronics. I was always trying to wire something together. I recall a situation in 3rd grade where I (with the help of my teacher) took an AC power supply, rectified it and hooked up a couple of telephones set. The class was impressed that they could actually speak over the phones ... impressed, that is, until the day I crossed a couple of wires, and smoked the insulation off the wires, filling the room with a wonderful aroma! Fortunately for me, this did not end my tinkering career. Mr. Schmidt saw it as an experience and showed me the error in my thinking... Steve #: 10779 S7/Telecommunications 20-May-91 17:18:08 Sb: #10775-#SACIA Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) I guess if you reverse the leads, resistance should be infinite in one direction and zero in the other, makes sense, no? Hugo There is 1 Reply. #: 10786 S7/Telecommunications 21-May-91 07:15:55 Sb: #10779-SACIA Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X) Sure does! #: 10763 S7/Telecommunications 19-May-91 16:08:38 Sb: #10741-#SACIA Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X) ~ Hugo, No, just because you're installed the "diode" IRQ hack doesn't make "my" clock module redundant. As I said before, the SACIA driver has had some recheck IRQ service code removed, and this recheck code was placed in "my" Clock module. The reason for this was to eliminate the need for every IRQ driven driver to do the IRQ recheck, thus saving valuable system space. If you use "my" clock module with SACIA it will be much more dependable. If you use another Clock module with SACIA you will most probably lose characters at 2400 baud and above. Bruce There is 1 Reply. #: 10768 S7/Telecommunications 19-May-91 20:26:28 Sb: #10763-#SACIA Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X) Ah so, OK. For now I will install the clock.60hz included in the smouse package. Is there a way to use the ELIMSW110 clock.60hz.rtc with my B&B RTC hard disk interface? Hugo There is 1 Reply. #: 10820 S7/Telecommunications 23-May-91 20:47:39 Sb: #10768-#SACIA Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X) ~ Hugo, I believe Dennis Skala did a B&B RTC clock module that incorporates the GIME toggle and repeated IRQ poll. I think it is available here, but if not I know it is available on Delphi and perhaps elsewhere. Bruce There is 1 Reply. #: 10824 S7/Telecommunications 24-May-91 17:24:30 Sb: #10820-SACIA Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X) I'm aware of Dennis's clock driver, I even used it in the past. Someone hinted that I should disable the hires mouse and see if it made a difference. I did, and have had 2 trouble free days. If it keeps up, I'd say the hires mouse was the problem. Hugo -------------------------------------->UUCP on a Color Computer 3<---- Hugo Bueno | Delphi: MRGOOD Fanwood, NJ | Compuserve: 71211,3662 | UUCP: ...!(rutgers,njin)!fdurt!kc2wz!bluehaus!hugo | or hugo@bluehaus.uucp ---------------------------------------------------------------------- #: 10598 S1/General Interest 06-May-91 19:13:55 Sb: #10554-#'fest a bust or what? Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) ~ Kevin, I was talking to Kent Meyers last night, and both he and I are of the opinion that Las Vegas is a better choice (for us) than is Atlantic City. On the other hand, I think both of us and many others are crazy enough to show up wherever and whenever a 'Fest is held. Just as long as we get sufficient advance notice, and there aren't too many 'Fests in close succession. Bruce There is 1 Reply. #: 10600 S1/General Interest 07-May-91 03:16:15 Sb: #10598-#'fest a bust or what? Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X) Bruce - as it turns out, I heard the Chicago coco club may be willing to put on a fest next year (assuming Rainbow doesn't). So that would give us Chicago and Atlanta. Guess no one else thinks Vegas/Atlantic City are good ideas . Drat. There are 3 Replies. #: 10601 S1/General Interest 07-May-91 09:53:26 Sb: #10600-#'fest a bust or what? Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) I bet Mike Haaland thinks it's a good idea, and so do I. I'll come if you have it in Las Vegas. Retaining 'Fests' in the Eastern 1/3 of the U.S. is somewhat discriminatory, no? Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10604 S1/General Interest 07-May-91 11:10:10 Sb: #10601-#'fest a bust or what? Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Yah, fests only in the East are discriminatory... but everyone is convincing me that western fests have never done well at all (I dunno.. never went to one; altho the FtWorth fest was kinda slim, and I heard the L.A. fest was too). The argument seems to be: you need lots of local people to count on. ? There is 1 Reply. #: 10606 S1/General Interest 07-May-91 16:27:43 Sb: #10604-#'fest a bust or what? Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Whatever..... offer stands though: have it in Lost Wages and I'll be there. 'Sides - LV is _lots_ more fun than Schaumburg (speaking both as a past fest attendee there, and past Motorola employee....). Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10608 S1/General Interest 07-May-91 18:11:30 Sb: #10606-'fest a bust or what? Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) HA! That's what _I_ said: Las Vegas would be a lot more fun! #: 10611 S1/General Interest 07-May-91 21:13:37 Sb: #10600-#'fest a bust or what? Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Hey Kevin, How about Memphis? Y'see, that way I could talk my favorite travelling companion into coming along. I could go to all the seminars, and she could hang out at Graceland. :) There is 1 Reply. #: 10617 S1/General Interest 07-May-91 23:15:24 Sb: #10611-'fest a bust or what? Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X) Memphis, eh? Got a club there to do it? Hey... was going thru TN on the way back from the fest, of course, and got a big laugh on the Interstate when a very dirty truck passed me: On the back, scrawled into the dusty door, was this - "Elvis is alive and inside this trailer" #: 10645 S1/General Interest 11-May-91 15:34:26 Sb: #10600-#'fest a bust or what? Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) KD> Bruce - as it turns out, I heard the Chicago coco club may be willing to KD> put on a fest next year (assuming Rainbow doesn't). So that would give KD> us Chicago and Atlanta. KD> KD> Guess no one else thinks Vegas/Atlantic City are good ideas . Drat. Kevin, Oh well, I saw a couple of positive responses about LV, so maybe it'll work out. Who knows. In the mean time, I can probably get to the Atlanta 'Fest in October. I also just heard (via FIDO) about a PNW 'Fest: MESSAGE #: 243 of 365 FROM: Chris Johnson TO: All Subject: Northwest CoCo/OS9 Meeting Date: 24 Apr 91 10:53:38 Members of the Port Orchard CoCo/OS9 user group are planning to hold a Northwest CoCo Computer Fest in Port Orchard on the evening of June 21st (informal) and seminars on Saturday, June 22nd to about 1 in the afternoon. The whole family is welcome because a huge circus will be in town June 21st for two performances at 2 P.M. and 8 P.M. The Carson & Barnes circus is the largest tent circus in the world with 5 rings of action and excitement. For those family members not into computers it's a great way to have something for everyone. More details coming. Write to Donald Zimmerman for further details (3046 Banner Rd SE, Port Orchard, WA 98366, enclose SASE) or reply here to Chris Johnson for additional information. --- Opus-CBCS 1.14 * Origin: Awakening_BBS 206-582-5579 Tacoma_WA *HST (1:138/102.0) What do you think? Will we see you and Marsha out in the rain forest this June? Bruce There is 1 Reply. #: 10699 S1/General Interest 16-May-91 16:10:53 Sb: #10645-#'fest a bust or what? Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X) Gosh, I -wish-. Sounds like a fun time (and as you know, Marsha and I were stationed at Tacoma for about 8 months in the Army). You going to it? We do plan to go to our parent's 45th anniversary this July out in Colorado Springs... I hear the local coco club is mostly rsdos types. Might have to stop in on them ;-). There is 1 Reply. #: 10733 S1/General Interest 18-May-91 16:41:13 Sb: #10699-'fest a bust or what? Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) ~ Kevin, I'm not sure whether I'll be going to the PNW CoCo Fest. If I can manage it (meaning if I can find the time and money) I'd sure like to go. Bruce #: 10832 S1/General Interest 25-May-91 12:33:00 Sb: #10554-#'fest a bust or what? Fm: Eric A. Cottrell [WIT] 76327,515 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Hi Kevin, Well if I had a choice of Vegas or Atlantic City for the next fest, then I would choose Atlantic City. This is a purely prejusticed decision based on location. Our company recently held a conference in Vegas. An interesting observation was that the room rates at non-gaming hotels were double gaming ones. We had to choose a non-gaming one so that our client companies would approve sending people to the conference. I assume the fest is not under such restrictions. 73 Eric... There is 1 Reply. #: 10840 S1/General Interest 26-May-91 09:04:42 Sb: #10832-'fest a bust or what? Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 To: Eric A. Cottrell [WIT] 76327,515 (X) ~ Yeah, I know! The whole reason the rooms are cheaper at 'Gaming' hotels is exactly that. Gaming supports the hotels. The Non-Gaming resorts can't pay the overhead if they try to compete with Gaming resort room rates. And you should see the rates for those that 'play'!!! Dirt cheap! 'Cause they know you'll more than pay for the room at the tables. Atlantic City? I didn't even know they had Hotels! Besides gambling, what is there to do in AC? Oh, that's right, Drive to New York, right? Vegas would be the perfect City for a West Coast Fest. 'Cause it's durn cheap to get here from anywhere, and with $4.95 prime rib and $6.95 steak and lobster, plus tons of $25 to $50 rooms, How can you go wrong? You won't find AC like Vegas. Anyone been there lately? I'm curious about AC pricing. I'm sure folks can get a great deal on airfare from they're local travel agents. Only problem with Vegas, is there is no large CoCo user base here, But we do have "Multi-Tasking for non-Rocket scientists"' Bill Vergona! BTW, Comdex is in Atlanta in the spring, and Las Vegas in the fall! We could schedule an LVFest right before or after COMDEX so CoCo folks could go to both in one trip. Hey! and we could all go to a Runnin' Rebel game! Great timing, no? 'Cause you won't see 'em on TV this year. Mike Q: Why all the fuss on the NETS about LV? #: 10605 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon 07-May-91 15:28:45 Sb: #StG Login package Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 To: 72427,335 (X) Scott, Is your StG login package still available? What is the price? I am looking for a TSMon which supports auto baud from 2400 down to 300. Thanks, Zack btw, I just mailed you a letter today asking about my O OSK'er subscription. There are 3 Replies. #: 10607 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon 07-May-91 16:29:15 Sb: #10605-StG Login package Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X) Zack - Carl's/Mine/Bill's MTSMON supports autobaud, and the price is right ($0). Bill Dickhaus added the COCOfications, so it'd be best to give him a jingle. Pete #: 10609 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon 07-May-91 18:13:12 Sb: #10605-#StG Login package Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X) Zack - the new OSKer was at the fest... he'd been moving and got delayed. Unfortunately, most people thought they were complimentary issues laying around, and were taking/giving them away for free. Poor Scott! There is 1 Reply. #: 10969 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon 05-Jun-91 20:04:28 Sb: #10609-StG Login package Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Actually, that wasn't so much of a problem. I've been shoveling money into the OSKer since day one and a little more wasn't going to hurt. I'm not making any money off it... StG #: 10968 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon 05-Jun-91 20:01:31 Sb: #10605-StG Login package Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X) Yes, the StG Login package (now named 'StGNet') is available from Animajik (818)761-4135. I believe it is priced under $50 for the current version 3.0. I would suggest getting that version now - the new version 4.0 is about done and will support OSK machines as well - all owners of V3 will get V4 for free. If you have not received issue #4 of the OSKer by now, then there is a problem with your subscription. If so, give me a call at (317) 241-6401. StG #: 10613 S3/Languages 07-May-91 22:30:16 Sb: #C-Help Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: All I am just starting to get into "C". I had downloaded Carl Kreiders's C Library and Mike Sweet's CGFX ver. 7. Do I replace the stock Tandy C stuff with these, or do I merge them, and if so, please tell me how. I am still at the learning point, so an Idiot's guide to C is probably what I should see, see what is I need to see for C. (I should be shot for that one.) --Thank you, Br. Jeremy, CSJW. There are 2 Replies. #: 10620 S3/Languages 08-May-91 06:14:15 Sb: #10613-C-Help Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X) Brother, Carl's library DOES replace the current ones that came with the C Compiler. What I did, was make a backup of the original...delete Tandy's version and then pile Carl's libs in there. The CGFX library is an ADDITION (unless you have the Developer's Kit...then it would replace that version of the same type LIB). In either case....you'll make calls that the LIBs call for....and you'll utilize the LIBs when you go the LINK them in. Dan #: 10622 S3/Languages 08-May-91 09:19:39 Sb: #10613-#C-Help Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X) Br. J - You replace the Tandy/Microware clib.l with Carl's. Also, replace the T/MW cstart.r file as well. These will be in your ??/LIB directory. Next - run (don't walk) out and purchase a copy of the Waite Group's " "C Primer Plus". An absolutely fabulous book that is well written without being haughty or aloof, is loaded with examples to reinforce the text, and is sprinkled with humour to make the initial exposure to C bearable. After buying 6 or so other texts, it parted the clouds for me. Others have also raved about it, and I found out the local University uses it as their C text (of course, _they're_ Lutherans.. ). Pete P.S. It's worth the trauma. All of our previously 'assembler only' hacks who learned C never went back. Figure on about 30 days before the lightbulb gets to full wattage. P.P.S. A quick edit/compile/debug cycle is best for learning. Keeping as many of the compiler modules in memory, and using a RAMDISK or hard disk is optimal. We also have a replacement 'cc' command that helps facilitate this. There is 1 Reply. #: 10637 S3/Languages 09-May-91 23:02:12 Sb: #10622-C-Help Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Thank you for your advice. I know what you mean about the lightbulb. In the morning when Brother says rise and shine, I'm lucky if I can glow dimly. But I am having fun learning programming. Maybe soon I will have some good code too upload. -Br. Jeremy, CSJW. #: 10614 S15/Hot Topics 07-May-91 22:49:13 Sb: #I2C Interface Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X) MM-ONE="Mickey Mouse One"! That's great! Keep in mind that Mickey is the symbol for Disney, too, and they are a group that I admire. Very professional, very concerned about cultivating the imagination of our youth -- which is, after all, where hope for the next century will spring from. Paul IMS There is 1 Reply. #: 10618 S15/Hot Topics 07-May-91 23:17:17 Sb: #10614-I2C Interface Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Uh. But Disney won't let their employees wear moustaches. #: 10615 S1/General Interest 07-May-91 22:54:47 Sb: Magnavox 8CM515 Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X) John, I'm using an 8515 on my MM/1 now and I find the 640 x 420 modes just fine to read, especially the "borderless" ones that Kevin set up. The characters are a little larger. Plus, I use a thicker font on these screens. Paul IMS #: 10616 S9/Utilities 07-May-91 22:56:31 Sb: #10307-#Areacode Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) JJ, New termcap now uploaded to you. Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 10619 S9/Utilities 08-May-91 06:00:56 Sb: #10616-#Areacode Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Downloaded, too; I'll move it over and give it a try. Thanks. There is 1 Reply. #: 10632 S9/Utilities 09-May-91 16:21:35 Sb: #10619-Areacode Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) JJ, I am also using a bunch of new fonts -- I don't know if they were modified in any way (new header informantion, whatever) to run on the MM/1 -- Mike Haaland apparently left them on my MM/1 at the fest. Use the new fonts as you would on the Color COmputer 3 -- merge one then use display 1b3a followed by the group and buffer numbers. Right now, the font I favor is a sans serif thich font that looks great on the 640 x 420 screens. Paul IMS #: 10624 S1/General Interest 08-May-91 19:04:28 Sb: #MicroWare is where? Fm: William Verthein 76557,3623 To: Timothy J. Martin 71541,3611 (X) I've tried sending them message twice asking for them to mail me info (via there customer feedback). Is there anyone there or do I have to call them or do they have a CIS ID I can send mail to? I'd really like info on OSK and I've been waiting since March... There is 1 Reply. #: 10843 S1/General Interest 26-May-91 22:11:27 Sb: #10624-#MicroWare is where? Fm: Timothy J. Martin 71541,3611 To: William Verthein 76557,3623 (X) Their phone number at HQ is 515-224-1929. I haven't tried feedback thru CIS Microware "forum". Apparently it is not good. Sorry to hear about the problem... There is 1 Reply. #: 10922 S1/General Interest 03-Jun-91 18:05:35 Sb: #10843-MicroWare is where? Fm: William Verthein 76557,3623 To: Timothy J. Martin 71541,3611 Thanx timothy. I finally got a reply from them... #: 10625 S4/MIDI and Music 08-May-91 19:13:40 Sb: #10441-#latest SMF stuff Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336 To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X) Paul, I'm enjoying your package of MIDI file converter/play programs. Any chance of seeing a mod to handle tunes larger than the current max. I've got a couple in the 65k area I'd sure like to hear. Regards, Ches. There is 1 Reply. #: 10650 S4/MIDI and Music 11-May-91 22:29:42 Sb: #10625-#latest SMF stuff Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464 To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X) Hi Ches, I've been taking a break. Plus I've become highly DIScouraged trying to come up with a converter for SMF-from/to-UME format since Mike K. has been too busy to reply to any of my messages for more than a month! (I've checked "everywhere" today and there's been no sign of him. He's been busy getting UME going on the MM/1 I understand.) Like I've said before, I was reallllllyyyyyy hoping to get something started so that we can ditch the CMF format altogether. I can see it's not going to be very soon at all. I'm going to have to redo MFF120 to use 'lseek()' because that's the only way I know to let it process any-size files with no restrictions -- *and* to keep the utility generic enough for all flavors of OS9/6809. That means I don't want to use CoCo3/Level-2-specific "memory allocation calls", or what Mike and others term "virtual memory". I've not heard from Chris Braymen either. Dunno if he'll get our long-int version of MFF120 to work on his box or not. Then he also could definitely use the lseek version. The lseeks will cause the disk drive to thrash all over the place -- I am *sure* of this even before rewriting it to do it. The code must look at every MFF1 track in succession to find the next-earliest note(s) to play/convert/merge. Instead of keeping pointers to the allocated RAM, we'll have to keep pointers to lseek values. And every time we reference the byte in RAM, we'd redo it with a 'getchar()' instead. See? But then, that's why we have RAM disks, eh? I'll see if I can get started on it this weekend. Take my mind off the TV reruns anyway ...! -- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464). There is 1 Reply. #: 10657 S4/MIDI and Music 12-May-91 13:42:03 Sb: #10650-#latest SMF stuff Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336 To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X) Paul, let me offer a word of encouragement. Yesterday, I was pressed into service as a last minute program substitute for a mother/daughter function at my church. Your conversion programs helped me WOW the audience with great music from our favorite little computer. Again, please accept my thanks for such a nice addition to the CoCo/OS9 repertoire. (And to any "lurkers", try the MFFCP.AR conversion program in DL4 - you will like it). Incidentally, I have been unable to locate PolySoft - not in 800 directory nor in the Portland telephone operator's list of companies. Wonder what happened to them. Their sounds in the demo you uploaded are tremendous. I recently purchased a 3-song disk from Music Data (Their "In the Mood" is 65K, sigh), and the comparison with PolySoft music is interesting. Music Data uses the standard voices in the MT32 which are not quite as lifelike as those loaded into the MT32 by PolySoft. PolySoft's tempo and rhythm are a bit better than Music Data also. Regards, Ches. There is 1 Reply. #: 10738 S4/MIDI and Music 18-May-91 19:02:15 Sb: #10657-#latest SMF stuff Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464 To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X) Well thank you, Ches. I'm testing the rewrite that uses 'fseek()' to index through the MFF1 file, instead of loading the file into RAM. Got one bug out of the way. I compared its output to one generated by MFF120, and it matches 100%, so it might be ready pretty soon. Gotta say it does take about 7 times longer indexing it from the MFF1 file rather than RAM, even when that MFF1 file is copied to a RAMdisk. It'd be great to have a cache driver -- I have Performance Peripheral's floppy controller and their CC3Disk driver has cache support settable by the user, but this company is no longer in business. In essence this could be used to "load" the MFF1 into the CoCo3's RAM without having to rewrite this program at all. Once enough of the MFF1 has been indexed, the drive would never need to physically reread any of the data. But a RAMdisk is still faster since the data is right there in RAM in the first place. Some people have uploaded MT32 patch files to the CIS and GEnie MIDI SIGs. If loaded properly, they can be used with UME. Haven't tried it, but if UME simply uses the MIDI channel setups in your MT32 as-is (i.e. the UME file does not have "instrument" icons in it), your UME file can simply play the notes on those channels and the MT32 should play with those loaded patches. Someone around here on this OS9 SIG was trying to create a patch librarian and patch editor for the MT32 -- where is he?! I saw Pete Lyall's FB01 software (or was it for a CZ model?), but where's the MT32 guru?! I can't remember his name ... but he uploaded a MT32 Setup program that was working just fine! It's here somewhere ... was waiting for his librarian & editor for patches ... -- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464). There are 2 Replies. #: 10753 S4/MIDI and Music 19-May-91 00:12:57 Sb: #10738-latest SMF stuff Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X) Dunno--but I *did* send along the C source to an MT32 patch editor that I saw and snarfed on USENET over to Mike Knudsen once, I think. #: 10834 S4/MIDI and Music 25-May-91 14:51:33 Sb: #10738-latest SMF stuff Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336 To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X) Paul, here's some info for your comparison. I have a Tandy 1100 laptop PC and a KEY Midiator. I used the demo version of Cakewalk 4.0 to get the following data using the Efficiency Rag from the MIDIFORUM. Load time for EFCY.MID (Format 1) (file size: 17,920) 2:17 Load time for EFCY.MID (Format 0) (file size: 19,584) 3:55 (Used MFF120 for conversion of Format 1 to Format 0) Playing time for loaded Format 1: 2 sec to start of music, 3:25 playing. Comparison data for OS-9: Conversion time from Format 1 to Format 0: 0:52 Conversion time from Format 0 to CMF0: 2:13 Playing time for CMF0 (incl. loading time): 5 sec to start, 3:25 playing. I have ordered SongWright, a notation type of transcription/MIDI editor/player for PCs. Its author says it will load formats 0, 1, and 2, but will save only in format 1. My interpretation of the help files with the Cakewalk demo (as a demo, the save feature is disabled) is that it also saves only in format 1. I interpret all of this to mean that Cakewalk (at least) uses format 1 tunes more efficiently than format 0. Seems strange, I'd have thought having the time merging of the tracks already done would make loading of the tune faster. It also seems to me that OS-9/MF... is roughly equivalent, and perhaps faster from start to play than Cakewalk. Regards, Ches. #: 10626 S6/Applications 08-May-91 21:25:54 Sb: #Dynacalc with terminal Fm: Bert Schneider 70244,427 To: 76703,4230 (X) Do you know of any patches to the dynacalc.trm file that will allow me to use a Televideo terminal with Dynacalc running on the Color Computer 3 with OS-9 Level II? Bert Schneider There is 1 Reply. #: 10628 S6/Applications 09-May-91 01:39:54 Sb: #10626-#Dynacalc with terminal Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Bert Schneider 70244,427 (X) BBert - Haven't we done this dance once already? I told you that I had developed some .trm files using the utilities supplied with the standard version of Dynacalc (I ran it on a SS50 Gimix system), but that the coco version's trm files were of a different layout. On the 'bright' side... If you can get hold of a standard version of dynacalc, it will run on a coco , and you could use the standard terminal definition utilities. Why not contact FHL... I'll betcha he's not selling too many 6809 standard Dynacalcs these days, and might be willing to wheel and deal. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10681 S6/Applications 15-May-91 18:11:44 Sb: #10628-Dynacalc with terminal Fm: Bert Schneider 70244,427 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Thanks! I think I'll try that. It would be nice to be able to use my terminal for that purpose. I don't think we talked about this before, but then again, maybe we did. Anyway, thank you and take care. (o) (o) U \___/ Bert #: 10636 S7/Telecommunications 09-May-91 20:45:29 Sb: OSTERM Fm: Dale Toyne 76304,2104 To: 76477,142 (X) Just wanted to thank you for sending me OSTERM and let you know that I finally got oi to work. I ended up having to hack my MPI. Well thanks a lot I tried a few YMODEM BATCH downloads and they worked great the only th out is how to get the echo path feature to work. Thanks again, Dale A. Toyne #: 10639 S1/General Interest 10-May-91 19:36:10 Sb: #Need Serial Port info Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 To: ALL I just got an Okidata OL800 LED Page Printer and I would like to use it with my CoCo3. (Yes, I know I am going to have to write some custom programs.) Problem is, I can't get them to communicate! I have the printer connected to the bit-banger with a cable like the following: 4 Pin DIN Plug 25 Pin DB25 Male Connector 1 8 2 3 3 7 4 2 Now, the printer manual states that it needs an "RS-232C" connection. It says it needs the following: 1 - PG (Protective Ground) 2 - TD (Transmitted Data) 3 - RD (Received Data) 4 - RTS (Request to Send) 6 - DSR (Data Set Ready) 7 - SG (Signal Ground) 11 - SSD (Supervisory Send Data) 20 - DTR (Data Terminal Ready) Can someone describe how I can possible jumper some of these so that my CoCo can talk to my laser printer? (not a true laser, but usually referred to one as) Or maybe tell me what would be necessary to get this to work? TIA, Zack There is 1 Reply. #: 10640 S1/General Interest 10-May-91 22:07:18 Sb: #10639-#Need Serial Port info Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X) Zack, I just (yesterday) made up a cable to run my Citizen GSX-140 through a serial port. Here are my connections: 4 Pin Din DB25 Male 1 n/c 2 20 3 7 4 3 Works great for me. Remember, the CoCo Printer UART uses the RD line to see if the printer is ready. I think the cable you made up is for a terminal, which your printer ain't. There is 1 Reply. #: 10641 S1/General Interest 10-May-91 22:58:55 Sb: #10640-Need Serial Port info Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Thanks Bob! I'll give her a try! Of course, when my MM/1 gets here the point will be moot, and of course I'll be waiting for you to port Vpt to OSK! #: 10644 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 11-May-91 14:53:39 Sb: TSMON Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 To: Lee Veal Lee, Please see message # 10643 Bob #: 10647 S2/Tutorials 11-May-91 19:32:17 Sb: #DISK DRIVES Fm: FRANK PRUZENSKI 76264,237 To: BOB PALMER 74646,2156 (X) Hi Bob; I'm still around, however, I just don't have enough time to devote to the nuts & bolts department. I do get much use from this thing in part-time bis. records & billings + many other projects. My "config" as it stands to date: have installed 40 track on my disk as pointed out. I have ddd0 35s, /d0 40d, /d1, /d2. Guess I don't need /d2 do I? And ddd0 40d, I think. Tell me, how does one get 80d? Pipe, P, w-w7, Mon r, full commands. I just finished make dir-sys to copy in helpmsg & errormsg, seems to work. I'm anx to get it done right so I can reconfig Multivue. How can I make the baud rate "06" permanent. I've tried the xmode procedure as outlined in the manual which works until I reboot. R. Shack's sales have been a bonis. I picked up desk mate, print shop, some others for $5. ea. This has helped me much. Thanks for the much needed help so far. BYE FRANK There is 1 Reply. #: 10652 S2/Tutorials 12-May-91 00:23:45 Sb: #10647-DISK DRIVES Fm: Bob Palmer 74646,2156 To: FRANK PRUZENSKI 76264,237 (X) You should probably make your /dd reflect whichever disk you want it to be. Normally for a two drive system that would make /dd be the same as /d0 so that would be 40 track ds. No you do not need /d2 unless you have three separate drives. You can build your own 80 track drive by editing an existing descriptor to fit (the number of tracks becomes whatever 80 is in hex) and also setting the track density to 96 per inch. Read through the system manual. If you have trouble I can give you a typical - seems to mee that there was an 80 track descriptor - no I apologize - that came with my SARDIS no halt controller. One elast thing - after doing an XMODE to change the baud rate you will need to do a COBBLER to write out the bootfile in its new flavour. Then the speed will stay as you have set it. Easy yes? Bob. #: 10648 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 11-May-91 21:11:00 Sb: #os9 coco / telecomm. Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: all HELP ME!!! I have a coco 2 and am using os9 level 1, also using Tandy deskmate My problem is that I can't get my modem program pak to work with eithor one. I can't view the service I'm connected to and can't up/down load files to/from disk. I have tried everything I can find in the manuals but nothing works. does anyone out there have the answer? There is 1 Reply. #: 10655 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 12-May-91 10:55:05 Sb: #10648-os9 coco / telecomm. Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) To use the modempak you'll need /m1 in your bootfile. Is it there? I never found Deskmate to be of much use for me, instead I used xcom9 (available in the Telcom library). If you'd give us a bit more information on what your system _isn't_ doing, ad what errors (if any) are being reported, I'm sure we can be of some help. Steve #: 10651 S1/General Interest 12-May-91 00:06:34 Sb: #GIF 1989a viewers? Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464 To: all Is anyone working on a new(er) up-to-date GIF viewer for CoCo3 Level 2? About a year ago, I noticed CIS has put out GIF 1989a specs. The viewers we currently have are GIF 1987a and are messing up when trying to show some of these "newer" GIF files. For example, Tim Kientzle's View 4.1, as well as Vaughn Cato's ViewGIF 2.0 and Chris Babcock's O9GIF 2.1 were all saying that they cannot process a certain (naughty) GIF picture I have, but Mike Dziedzic's GIFOS9 1.1 does try to show it. View 2.1 was saying how it doesn't support "non-global bitmaps" in that GIF picture. CShow for the IBM-PC crowd works just fine (of course). -- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464). There is 1 Reply. #: 10653 S1/General Interest 12-May-91 06:54:58 Sb: #10651-#GIF 1989a viewers? Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X) I've been tempted to modify viewgif to do 1989a--don't know whether I could do non-global palettes, but it would be a *great* pleasure to make it know about aspect ratio, which is one of the changes for 1989a if I recall correctly. I think it also wants colors in descending order of importance, which could make life easier in some ways. There is 1 Reply. #: 10737 S1/General Interest 18-May-91 18:43:46 Sb: #10653-#GIF 1989a viewers? Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) One of the enhancements of GIF 1989a is the use of text on top of the picture, where the letters or fonts are shown with the background showing through (transparent) or colored (transclusent[?] or opaque). Yet another enhancement is that the GIF info specifies the length of a pause or delay for animation, overlays, the text I just mentioned, or whatever else is needed. The sample that came with CSHOW, the IBM-PC compatible GIF viewer, kinda does all of that, all in one GIF file. It just so happened that some GIF file I found had contained some non-global stuff which was defined in the original 1987 spec. Not that I can afford one (anytime soon either), but are the OSK machines from FHL, IMS, Delmar, etc., able to (or will be able to) show those GIFs that are essentially VGA pictures? You know, the 800x600x256 resolution? IBM has yet to publish their XGA specs, but the latest CSHOW already supports IBM's own XGA card. Keep hearing & reading that the MM/1 and Delmar has support for VGA but --alas-- where's the software? -- Thx, Paul Seniura. There are 2 Replies. #: 10744 S1/General Interest 18-May-91 21:16:49 Sb: #10737-GIF 1989a viewers? Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X) Yah, the MM/1 shows the VGA pics, altho in 320x420x256 res instead (looks fine). The PT does even better on a VGA monitor with its VGA card, of course. Far as I know, both have GIF decoders. Kinda large files to download, tho :-) #: 10752 S1/General Interest 19-May-91 00:11:41 Sb: #10737-#GIF 1989a viewers? Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X) Well...just this Friday evening, I looked at some GIF files on my MM/1, and they looked very good to me. There were some 640*480 files in there; I don't recall seeing any 800*600. There is 1 Reply. #: 10766 S1/General Interest 19-May-91 20:04:28 Sb: #10752-#GIF 1989a viewers? Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Is Mike going to develop it for us po' folk? If not, and if it's shareable, might I take a gander at it? Mike hasn't been answering my e-mail on CIS or Delphi, seems to be too -- TOO -- busy making things for the MM/1 and forgetting about "us". For one thing, he &/or Ed Hathaway promised us they'd make good the promises stated in the UME-3 docs. About two months ago, Mike answered back stating he will get it finished but after he gets them working on the MM/1 first. That is IRRITATING -- I and many others have been waiting for TWO YEARS to the day (almost) waiting for those enhancements. I'm getting tired waiting ... I even bribed him & Ed that I'd send in a second $59 once they get it all finished and implemented correctly. So, if you have something we can go ahead and port over, by all means let's get it going. Sorry 'bout having to bring things out into the open, Mike & Ed, but it's now beyond my comprehension what y'all are trying to do. I believe it is time for others to know why I'm disgusted with UME and its support -- shoot, I don't even have a copy of the latest version, after what all we've already discussed and been through over the last two years. If I knew things were going to be this way a year ago, I would have tried to develop my own editors. Nothing's stopping me, except I *did* pays my money in trust that those features would be available by now. I decided instead to get the SMF support rolling, if for no other reason to show that y'all didn't do enough homework and to show why y'all need to support SMFs. I'm presently awaiting a response from Mike to see if he & I could get together and whip up some UME-SMF converters (both ways, not just one). Still waiting ... I'm not saying UME isn't a good product -- it's the best from what we have to choose. But look at how difficult it is to get features supported that we really need! I'm through hollering now; thanks for putting up with me. -- Paul Seniura (76476,464). There is 1 Reply. #: 10772 S1/General Interest 20-May-91 01:00:17 Sb: #10766-#GIF 1989a viewers? Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X) To the best of my knowledge, the source I have, written for the ST, is freely copyable, so (if I can find it...) I could send it to you. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but--Mike uploaded the UME file format some time back, I believe. What is stopping you from working on converters? There is 1 Reply. #: 10854 S1/General Interest 27-May-91 22:20:12 Sb: #10772-GIF 1989a viewers? Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) I suppose I will duplicate my response here as I've had to respond to others on Delphi asking the same question. First of all, as I've mentioned before, Mike Knudsen has been too busy to answer my questions via e-mail. Secondly, I've had several specific questions about his documentation of the UME file format. When it comes to the part about the "event" arrays and such, for example, it was poorly written. Needed some examples to show other programmers what was expected, maybe even some C code fragments, and so on. I believe the last time I asked for some help was in February of this year. Wanted to know, for one thing, whether MFF1 or MFF0 was the way he expected the music to be stored. I couldn't tell with his docs. Thirdly, the fact that he hasn't made good on "true" MIDI support for certain MIDI commands, such as pitch bends, controllers, after touch, etc., that we would have a terrible time figuring out how to convert (or simply throw out) the data that isn't supported. As an example, I'm not talking about the "fake" support for Crescendi & Diminuendi he's apparently put into 4.7.x -- we need "real" after touch support. I've suggested ways to graphically show these kinds of MIDI commands, and even explained how to use simple linear algebraic equations vs. time to do the real-time MIDI output. Fourthly, we don't have a decent way to store numerous SysEx data. If a SMF has SysEx in it, what will UME "do" about it? We don't have any way to keep a library of SysEx, including non-UME software & packages. Fifthly, what do I do with 24-track SMFs? Where do I store the instrument patches in his table if there's more than 16 of 'em? ETC. That's just the tip of the iceburg. All of this was via e-mail on Delphi (and on CIS e-mail, too, some of it). Still waiting for some help. Get the picture? -- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464). #: 10665 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 13-May-91 08:50:11 Sb: #10566-#creat() help Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) The "theoretically correct" technique for seeing if a file already exists is with the access() function. Using perms of 0 just tells you if it is there, or you can see if it is access()able with whatever permissions you want. Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 10669 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 13-May-91 22:04:21 Sb: #10665-creat() help Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Mark Wuest 74030,332 (X) Yes, access() is the correct way to see if a file exists. In the segment I was working with I really didn't care if the file did or did not exist. I was going to overwrite it no matter what. Creat() is nice for this since it will overwrite an existing file. Create() will not. But with creat() you can't set the file permissions (as we both now know!!), and I did want some special perms set . . . so that meant I had to use create(); but it fails if the file exists... so then it is back to combinatation of create() and open(). No big deal, but it seemed that creat() would have been so simple. Besides, now everyone knows of yet another ambiguity in the MW manuals. #: 10670 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 13-May-91 23:41:28 Sb: #BOTCHED IT-OS9 Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 To: ALL HI ALL.I'M HAVING A COUPLE OF PROBLEMS WITH MY OS9 LEVEL II DISKS THAT I NEED HELP WITH. FIRST,SOMEHOW WHEN MAKING A BACKUP OF MY CONFIG/BASIC09 DISKI CLOSED OFF THE PATH TO BASIC09. IT'S STILL IN THE DIRECTORY BUT I CAN'T GET TO IT.IS THERE SOME WAY TO OPEN THE PATH BACK UP? SECOND,I CAN NO LONGER ACCESS THE ERROR OR HELP MESSAGES. WHENEVER I TRY I GET "COULDN'T OPEN PATH TO /dd/sys/errmsg(hlpmsg)".HOW DID I DO THIS? I USED TO BE ABLE TO GET THEM. LEAVE IT TO US NOVICES. THANKS MARK There is 1 Reply. #: 10671 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 14-May-91 05:24:14 Sb: #10670-BOTCHED IT-OS9 Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X) What output do you get when you do a "dir e /d0/cmds" and "dir e /d0/sys"? Ditto for "dir e /dd/sys". #: 10673 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 14-May-91 18:21:06 Sb: #dynacalc Fm: tom farrow 72701,543 To: all to see I need a great deal of help in running dynacalc on my somewhat doubious CoCo 3 . I say doubious because of the great deal of trouble I have in doing anything with it aside from using it as an expensive paperweight. I can not make a backup nor can I boot up nor can I even execute the file if I boot up on another disk and chd & chx to that disk. HELP!!!!!!!!!! Feel free to call me at (303) 426-7465 if you can help . I am getting some what disatified with the famed os9 and the big R.S. Maybe the new machines are better but I can not afford to go that way and take a chance. sincerely Tom Farrow There are 2 Replies. #: 10674 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 14-May-91 18:35:27 Sb: #10673-dynacalc Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: tom farrow 72701,543 (X) What exactly do you have in your system? Do you have only Dynacalc, or do you have both OS-9 (Level One or Two?) and Dynacalc? The more details you provide, the easier it is to get help. #: 10677 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 15-May-91 02:14:04 Sb: #10673-dynacalc Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: tom farrow 72701,543 (X) Tom - As JJ said, a detailed description of your problem(s) would be more fruitful. Lets try a step by step statement of the difficulties you're having. Pete #: 10675 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 14-May-91 21:07:08 Sb: #coco/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: 76703,4255 (X) Steve, According to the Deskmate manual,the modem pak must be in slot 1 and the drive controller in slot 4 They are. After setting the communications status settings I select the view menu. From that menu I select terminal as instructed by the manual. I now have a blank screen and when I try a call nothing happens.The screen remains blank. the only thing that will show on the screen is what I type, if anything. I usually get cutoff long before I can figure what is wrong. I assume this is because my logon wasn't recieved. If I try the modem pak in any other slot I get an error, It says that an error occured trying to open the rs-232 driver,can't open. I don't know what else to try, I called Radio Shack and they don't have the answer. Can you help? Thanks There is 1 Reply. #: 10678 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 15-May-91 06:49:38 Sb: #10675-coco/telecomm Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Again ... the modem pak requires /m1 descriptor and the ACIAPAK driver to funtion. There should be a menu where you can specify the serial device in use ... set it to /m1. Steve #: 10679 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 15-May-91 07:48:10 Sb: #hard disk controller Fm: David Betz 76704,47 To: all Can someone here suggest a source for a hard disk controller for the CoCo? I'd like to use a 20MB SCSI drive I've got on the shelf. It would also be nice if I could get an RS-232 interface at the same time. I don't have a MPI, so I'd need some sort of combination controller. Oh yeah, I'd like it to be a non-stop controller for floppies as well. Is that too much to ask? Also, I don't have access to copies of Rainbow, so please post the phone number of companies rather than references to ads in the magazines. Thanks in advance! David Betz P.S. I tried calling the phone number someone posted for CRC a while back and haven't been able to get an answer. There are 2 Replies. #: 10688 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 15-May-91 21:40:02 Sb: #10679-#hard disk controller Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: David Betz 76704,47 (X) Hmmm...the SCSI setups for the CoCo that I know of (RGB, KenTon) might not do floppies. I'll have to go look in RAINBOW and find phone numbers and addresses. You may want to check with CoCoPro; they may have what you need. (I'm in luck! I have a flyer right here. CoCoPro, 1334 Byron, Ypsilanti MI 48198; VISA/MC orders 1-800-937-7746; other calls 1-313-481-3283; 1-9 p.m. Eastern Time, Monday through Saturday.) There is 1 Reply. #: 10696 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 16-May-91 08:20:39 Sb: #10688-hard disk controller Fm: David Betz 76704,47 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Thanks, I'll give them a call. #: 10691 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 16-May-91 01:33:51 Sb: #10679-#hard disk controller Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 To: David Betz 76704,47 (X) David, Here's the info I have for CRC/DISTO : CRC Inc. 11 Boul. Des Laurentides Laval, Quebec, Canada H7G-2S3 Phone: (514) 967-0195 From what I've read you want a: Super Controller II - No-Halt Controller 4in1 Multi-board adapter - HD adapter, RTClock, Serial and Par Ports Mike There is 1 Reply. #: 10697 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 16-May-91 08:22:13 Sb: #10691-hard disk controller Fm: David Betz 76704,47 To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X) Thanks! #: 10682 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 15-May-91 18:34:08 Sb: #Disto SC-II Software Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Kevin Darling Hi Kevin, Guess what I just bought? One of those Disto Super Controller II paks. Since you wrote the software; There is a new CC3Disk to be installed in the boot. I have already changed the original CC3Disk to the one needed for 'pcdos' and 'rsdos'. Will the module that I just got work with these programs? Are there any updates to the SC-II software that I should be aware of? I've got this money burning a hole in my pocket that I'm waiting to spend on a book. Find any books around your place? Thanks, Paul R. There is 1 Reply. #: 10700 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 16-May-91 16:17:47 Sb: #10682-#Disto SC-II Software Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X) Hi Paul - rsdos will work with the SC-II driver... unfortunately, pcdos doesn't (I'd have had to include a halt-driver mode also). Since people have taken apart the driver and fixed a coupla bugs in it (the main one only hits if you boot direct to hard disk... an "iniz /d0" fixes it), I was hoping someone would do the pcdos dirty work . Most people just keep two boot disks... and use the old driver boot if/when they need to do a pcdos xfer. I think I should just go ahead and post my driver source code, and let people add the needed halt code. Yes! Found a book. As soon as I can walk again (sunburn) and drive, I'll get it out to you. thx! - kev There is 1 Reply. #: 10703 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 16-May-91 18:18:16 Sb: #10700-#Disto SC-II Software Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Thanks. Good luck with your sunburn. (Skin cancer and cataracts to follow). Might be a good idea to publish that source code. I can plug in this new disk controller right now and use my regular boot disk to use pcdos? That's not too inconvienient. I already wound up buying a clock since I forgot the smartwatch was soldered into the old controller. Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 10704 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 16-May-91 18:27:18 Sb: #10703-Disto SC-II Software Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X) Geez, thanks for the sunburn encouragement . I ain't never going outside again ;-). Just keep to my little computer room. Yah, you should be able to boot up with your old disk, no sweat. #: 10686 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 15-May-91 21:01:09 Sb: #Color patch Fm: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137 To: all Is there anyone who can help me,please? I have a COCO 3 (128K) , Double disk drive, and an RGB (CM-8) monitor. My problem is that I have several programs (Rocky's Boots,Robot Odyssey,Mickey's Space Adventur,etc. that use OS-9 ver. 2.00.00 They show up in black and white on my monitor. Is there a patch or a "montype" command that will work on ver. 2.00.00? Thanks, Bruce There is 1 Reply. #: 10689 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 15-May-91 21:43:32 Sb: #10686-#Color patch Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137 (X) The problem is that the programs that did what on the CoCo 2 was high-res graphics and did color got color by taking advantage of the limited bandwidth of color TVs--they generated color the same way that you see a faint moire pattern of red and blue when a used car salesman appears in a black-and-white herringbone pattern jacket on a commercial. Your CM-8 is too good to be fooled like that, and you'll just see a pattern of adjacent black and white stripes. To get the colors, you'll have to go to composite or color TV. There is 1 Reply. #: 10794 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 21-May-91 22:58:54 Sb: #10689-Color patch Fm: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) I hate it when that happens! Anyway, thanks a lot for your time and the info. Bruce #: 10687 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 15-May-91 21:32:20 Sb: #os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: 76703,4255 (X) Steve, I tried using /M1 on deskmate and got an error It said an error occured trying to open the rs232 path can't open In the deskmate manual it says to use /T2 but that only gives a blank screen. I have deskmate version 1.00.00 and it uses os9 version 2.00.00 How would I go about obtaining and installing the m1 driver since I don't think it is in there? Also would this work for my os9 version 1.01.00 level 1 ? I just added a second drive to my system and would like to be able to use the drives with telecomm. I apprieciate your help Thanks, Tom There is 1 Reply. #: 10694 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 16-May-91 07:37:10 Sb: #10687-#os9/telecomm Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Ouch! My familiarity with Deskmate ends pretty much where I left off ... I'm gonna have to gracefuly back out and let someone more knowledgable jump in. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 10701 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 16-May-91 16:20:05 Sb: #10694-os9/telecomm Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Hmm. Sounds like he needs to make a new bootdisk with m1 and modpak in it? Or does DM-3 come with those already installed? #: 10690 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 16-May-91 00:11:22 Sb: #BOTCHED IT-OS9 Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 To: JAMES JONES 76257,562 (X) SORRY FOR NOT GETTING BACK TO YOU SOONER, I HAVE A NEW MODEM AND SOFTWARE I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. I TRIED THE DIR E /D0/XXXX COMMANDS. FOR THE ERROR AND HELP MESSAGES IT SAID I COULD READ AND WRITE TO THEM, BUT WHEN I TRIED I GOT ERRORS AND 216. THAT LAST LINE WAS ERRORS 214 AND 216. ON THE BASIC09/CONFIG DISK IT READS --e-rewr. I KNOW THE READ AND WRITE, I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT THE 2 e's ARE. WHEN I TRIED AGAIN TO RUN THE BASIC09 I STILL GOT THE "COULDN'T OPEN PATH" MESSAGE. IS THIS ENOUGH FOR YOU TO HELP? LET ME KNOW IF YOU WERE LOOKING FOR A DIFFERENT ANSWER FROM ME. THANKS A BUNCH, MARK There is 1 Reply. #: 10692 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 16-May-91 05:48:10 Sb: #10690-BOTCHED IT-OS9 Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X) Are you remembering to do a chd and chx when you swap disks? #: 10698 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 16-May-91 16:06:28 Sb: #Sunburn Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: all Greetings to anyone who's been trying to get in touch with me this past week: About a week ago Marsha and I took a beach trip, and dumb old me managed to get sunburned beyond belief... still too painful to walk much. For this message, I managed to roll myself in a chair here to the computer room while Marsha was out . I'm now sorry that I never set up terminals all around the house! Hope to be back online/phone soon. best to all - dumb redhead kev PS: no need to respond... should be back on my feet in a few days (I hope!). There is 1 Reply. #: 10710 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 16-May-91 20:32:16 Sb: #10698-#Sunburn Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Wanna hear whats worse, Kev? I USED to be a redhead, and now I burn where it used to be. OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!! JohnW There is 1 Reply. #: 10713 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 17-May-91 09:32:01 Sb: #10710-#Sunburn Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X) HEHE. Yah, at least I still have (most) of my hair up top ;-). Altho the shower drain is getting clogged more and more nowadays . There are 2 Replies. #: 10723 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 17-May-91 21:25:20 Sb: #10713-Sunburn Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Well, I can comb my hair with a washcloth - makes it easier to get ready for work in the morning, anyway. BTW, (from one red-head to another) Solarcaine spray works pretty good - has a pain-killer in it. #: 10751 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 18-May-91 23:46:33 Sb: #10713-Sunburn Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) You might try Rogaine. --Jeremy, CSJW #: 10702 S1/General Interest 16-May-91 18:02:43 Sb: #Hires adapter Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 To: All Does anyone out there have a hires CoCo joystick adapter that they don't need and would be willing to part with? No luck in the stores here in Montreal. There is 1 Reply. #: 10709 S1/General Interest 16-May-91 20:20:24 Sb: #10702-#Hires adapter Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X) Hmmmmm, I'm sure I saw about three of them the other day at a local Radio Shack. Cheap too. I'll check. John Wainwright There is 1 Reply. #: 10722 S1/General Interest 17-May-91 21:09:57 Sb: #10709-#Hires adapter Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X) Thanks. Let me know what you find. There is 1 Reply. #: 10729 S1/General Interest 18-May-91 10:10:10 Sb: #10722-Hires adapter Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X) Ian, I found them. Picked up two of them for $4.95 each. If you still want one, send me shipping instructions - here or E-mail. John Wainwright 72517,676 #: 10705 S15/Hot Topics 16-May-91 18:29:07 Sb: #Amiga and OS-9 Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: all Well, it's enough to make a person crazy... it's sad enough that the Atari ST almost came with OS-9 as its standard operating system, but didn't... but now we also find out (from this exchange on internet): Amiga Owner #1: "Given the grief that many of us suffered under [Amiga OS] 1.0 and 1.1, I wonder if we wouldn't have been better off with C= buying OS-9/68K, which was reasonably stable, at the time, then adding [graphics]." Amiga Owner #2: "I asked about that, at the time. The response I got indicated that nobody at Amiga had ever heard of Microware. Weird." Commodore Honcho: "Not quite accurate. In the days when we were looking for a replacement for the original CAOS (we had the tripos port in hand, but...) I talked to the folks at Microware (since I was already talking to them about another project using an OS9 varient.). At that time their unit pricing even for large volumes made their operating system uneconomical for us to use. Which was a shame." "A shame" indeed! If both the ST and Amiga had come with OS-9, perhaps we'd now be reading interviews in TIME magazine with MW President Ken Kaplan, instead of always just with Bill Gates :-(. Drat. There is 1 Reply. #: 10715 S15/Hot Topics 17-May-91 17:20:24 Sb: #10705-Amiga and OS-9 Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) ? The pricing of MW's OS-9/68K has always been on the exorbitant side. Especially after they withdrew their "personal" version OS-9. We, CoCo3 owners, really got it good with the OS-9/6809 for only $80. Granted, after Multi-Vue and the Dev. Pak are added the price breaks the $200 mark, but still you could get a lot done without the add-ons. And at $230, as I recall, it was still a good deal compared to the 68K versions. But you're right, I think MW missed a great opportunity by not catering to the ST and Amiga market. Of course, we seem to be only one side of the story based on the previous internet messages. It would be interesting to hear both sides. Lee #: 10708 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 16-May-91 20:14:14 Sb: #os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: all I have a COCO 2 with Deskmate and I can't make telecomm work with my modem pak. Can anyone out there tell me how I can get the data needed to make a new boot disk with M1 in it so my modem pak will work? I believe this is the problem, because if I type /M1 in at the serial port prompt I get an error. So far I have had no luck in getting it to work PLEASE HELP ME!!! There are 2 Replies. #: 10717 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 17-May-91 18:18:36 Sb: #10708-#os9/telecomm Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Thomas - Let's start with what you have done thus far. Since you have a Coco2, I assume you're running Level I os9. Are you familiar with the os9gen command? Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10720 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 17-May-91 19:39:23 Sb: #10717-#os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) I am using os9 level 1, I have version 01.01.00 . Also I have Deskmate that uses os9 level 1 version 02.00.00 . I have never used the os9 gen command. As far as what I have done so far, I read the book that came with deskmate, I enter the telecomm program menu, and set my status, when I try to communicate if I use /t2 like the book says I get a blank screen. If I try /m1 I get an error. From what I can tell from the os9 commands book the os9 gen command is used to add modules to a boot file, is this correct? If so , how would I add a module I don't have, where can I get it? thanks for your help. TOM There is 1 Reply. #: 10727 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 17-May-91 23:22:56 Sb: #10720-#os9/telecomm Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Tom - I'm no longer a coco'er, so some of this is a stretch for me memory wise... I'm not sure where/when the /M1 module was first distributed. Is there any possibility that it exists in the bootfile on the 2.00.00 disk? Try this: Ident -s Ident -s /d0/OS9boot And see what drivers and descriptors are there.... Something else just occurred to me. Because of the inadequate handling of the IRQ's for devices in the multi-pak, we developed something called an IRQ hack that tied to the RS232 pak. This allowed it to receive serial interrupts. In the case of the modem pak, this wasn't necessary because they (Tandy/Microware) included a _virtual_ IRQ driver (VIRQ) that would issue interrupts every so often. They'd use this to act as sort of a baby sitting timer for checking the modem pak. This all boils down to the fact that if you use /M1, you may also need to unearth VIRQ. I believe that VIRQ wasn't implemented until 2.00.00. Again - see what's in the 2.00.00 bootfile. In fact, omit the -s option and get the full poop on all the modules. We're mainly interested in finding M1, it's driver (the descriptor will list which driver it is affiliated with), and whether or not you have VIRQ. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10739 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 18-May-91 19:55:24 Sb: #10727-os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, Thanks for the info, I will check the bootfile as soon as I get off line and get back to you. Thanks again. Tom #: 10801 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 22-May-91 08:26:56 Sb: #10708-#os9/telecomm Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Tom, Since you are using Level I (right?) you should be able to load M1 and MODPAK without having to build a new bootfile, then if that works, we can help you through making up a new bootfile. If I remember right (its been awhile, and I'm at work, so can't look this up) the drivers and descriptors are in a directory on the master system disk, probably the MODULES directory. Load M1 and MODPAK from there, using full pathnames (like: LOAD /D0/MODULES/M1). Then try setting the serial port in Deskmate to M1. Bill There is 1 Reply. #: 10811 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 22-May-91 20:23:47 Sb: #10801-os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) Bill, I have os9 level 1 version 1.01.00 , and deskmate that uses os9 level 1 version 2.00.00. I have looked at the module directorys on both disks and M1 and MODPAK are not there. Where else might I find them? Tom #: 10712 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 17-May-91 07:38:39 Sb: #command line arguments Fm: Chris Clark 76050,1127 To: SYSOP (X) I am a new OS9 user. I am used to using unix and the cshell. Iwould like to pass command line arguments into a script. ( I cannot force myself to type chd instead of cd. ,,,etc... ). HELP!!!! Chris Clark 404-542-4452 or clark@mond1.ccrc.uga.edu on the Internet There are 2 Replies. #: 10716 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 17-May-91 18:15:41 Sb: #10712-command line arguments Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Chris Clark 76050,1127 Chris - There are a couple of options: a) Use 'shell+'. This is a hacked version of the standard shell that supports shell variables, parameters, and control statements. Should be in DL10. May require LII (Os9 Level II). b) The os9 UGLIB (DL5) has a tool called 'go' that accepts parameters, and forks command lines with these parameters substituted. If it's not online, it can be recalled. Pete #: 10726 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 17-May-91 22:23:21 Sb: #10712-command line arguments Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Chris Clark 76050,1127 Hi Chris - I assume from the section that you're using OS9/68K. The current Microware shell doesn't accept command line arguments . I suspect with the coming influx of OS9/68K users, that we'll be seeing a new shell that does pretty pronto, tho. In the meantime, drop into Library 12 and do a "bro /key:shell" and see if you find anything useful. I believe that there's a Bourne shell in there, for one. Like you, I find "chd" instead of "cd" is driving me crazy... especially since the "pwd" of 6809 OS-9 is now "pd" under OS9/68K (OSK for short). luck! - kev #: 10714 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 17-May-91 14:20:11 Sb: #BOTCHED IT-OS9 Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 To: JAMES JONES 76257,562 (X) HI JAMES, THE ONLY TIME I'VE USED CHD,CHX IS WHEN I RECONFIG'D MY NEW DISK. IS THERE OTHER TIMES TO USE IT? WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING IS GOING PAGE BY PAGE THROUGH THE OS9 MANUAL AND THE OS9 TOUR GUIDE. WHEN I GOT TO THE PART ABOUT BASIC09 IN THE TOUR GUIDE IS WHEN I DISCOVERED I COULDN'T GET TO IT. I KEPT GETTING THE "NO PATHWAY ERROR" AND WHEN I TRIED TO CALL UP ERRMSG OR HLPMSG IS WHEN I DISCOVERED THOSE WERE CLOSED OFF TOO. SO, NOW WHAT? LATER, MARK There is 1 Reply. #: 10721 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 17-May-91 20:40:18 Sb: #10714-BOTCHED IT-OS9 Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X) OK. Whenever you switch floppies in the drive, you need to chd and chx (there are some possible exceptions, but they are few, and can wait until you have a better understanding of what's going on). The reason you need to do this is that OS-9 disks aren't like Disk BASIC disks. In Disk BASIC, the directory is *always* in the same place, has the same size, and so forth. Under OS-9, different disks can have their directories (note the plural) in different places. (There is some stuff that's always in the same place, but it isn't a directory, though it tells how to get to a special directory, called the *root* directory of the disk.) All a process remembers about the directories, data and execution, is what drive they're on, and what sector on the drive they start at, so changing disks will fool the process--in particular, the process that runs the program "shell" that interprets the commands you type at the "OS9:" prompt. #: 10724 S15/Hot Topics 17-May-91 22:01:39 Sb: #TC-9 Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 To: FRANK HOGG OF FHL 70310,317 (X) HI FRANK, I'M ALSO INTERESTED IN THE TOMCAT.PLEASE SEND ME TONS OF PAPER WITH ADVICE PRINTED ALL OVER IT TO ENCOURAGE ME TO BUY A TOMCAT! MARK HAMILTON 1721 E. CAMPBELL PHOENIX,AZ. 85016 THANKS, MARK There is 1 Reply. #: 10746 S15/Hot Topics 18-May-91 22:52:17 Sb: #10724-TC-9 Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X) Done, now when you get this stuff you realise that you will have to buy one. Frank #: 10725 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 17-May-91 22:16:14 Sb: hard/floppy/serial Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: David Betz 76704,47 (X) Dave - check your email... I just forwarded you a message from internet from someone with some pretty good deals on what you're looking for. luck! - kev #: 10730 S7/Telecommunications 18-May-91 10:42:55 Sb: #Modem Problem Fm: Ernest Withers Jr. 71545,1117 To: All Can anyone help me with a small problem I'm having with my new modem and CIS? I bought a Best Data Products SMART ONE 9632X V.32 9600 baud modem that is currently connected to COM1 on my Tandy 3000 HL. I still have my 2400 baud modem connected to the CoCo 3 and will move this 9600 to my MM1 when it arrives (soon I hope). Now for the problem. The new modem works fine EXCEPT after a CISB+ file transfer. After the successful transfer I get no response from CIS and even sending a CTRL-C gets a strange graphics character echoed back to my screen. After a while, if I stay connected long enough, I get a Host Time Out message. I don't normally stay connected that long because of the connect charges. The files ARE successfully received and will unzip on the 3000 or the OS9 files will un-AR on the CoCo. If I select Xmodem or Ymodem, everything works great. I get normal responses from CIS after the transfer. This problem happens when I call either the 2400 baud node or the 9600 baud number. On the 3000 I'm using PCPLUSTD for the term program. I prefer to use B+ transfers for the speed (approx. 1K per sec.) but will drop back to Ymodem if I have to or does CIS support Zmodem? By the way, I asked this question almost two weeks ago in the IBMCOM forum since the modem is being used with an IBM compatible. I never got a single reply@and now the msg has scrolled off. That says something for the attitude and friendliness of the CoCo/OS9 community Thanks for any help. Ernie. There is 1 Reply. #: 10735 S7/Telecommunications 18-May-91 17:25:31 Sb: #10730-#Modem Problem Fm: Donald R. Spoon 76417,1302 To: Ernest Withers Jr. 71545,1117 (X) Earnie, Just a quick reply on your modem problem until I can check out something. First, the people who wrote PCPLUSTD have their own forum here on CIS. Just type GO DATASTORM at any prompt, and post your question over there. They are very good at getting problems solved and are quite eager to go the "extra mile" to make you happy. They also have some good add-on things in their databases. Second, it sounds like the CIS computers are waiting for your computer to send something. Try the following key-combinations in this order to see if you can "wake-up" the connection: , then . Try these on at a time, but if one doesn't work then try the next. I will go try to down-load a short file using B+ to see how my rig works. I don't quite have the same set-up, but I do use PCPLUS version 1.1B. It has been a while since I used B+, and I forget if it acts like yours or not. -Don Spoon- There are 2 Replies. #: 10736 S7/Telecommunications 18-May-91 18:35:02 Sb: #10735-Modem Problem Fm: Ernest Withers Jr. 71545,1117 To: Donald R. Spoon 76417,1302 (X) Thanks for the quick reply, Don. I'll try on the DATASTORM forum and see what they have to say. Again, Thanks. Ernie. #: 10780 S7/Telecommunications 20-May-91 18:07:13 Sb: #10735-#Modem Problem Fm: Ernest Withers Jr. 71545,1117 To: Donald R. Spoon 76417,1302 (X) Don, I downloaded the Sept. 1988 version of PCPLUSTD from the Datastorm Suppor Forum and that cured my problem with B+ downloads. Everything seems to be working OK now. Thanks for the help. Ernie. There is 1 Reply. #: 10782 S7/Telecommunications 20-May-91 20:32:52 Sb: #10780-#Modem Problem Fm: Donald R. Spoon 76417,1302 To: Ernest Withers Jr. 71545,1117 (X) Ernie, Glad you got it working OK. As I said before, I am using the commercial version 1.1B. If you send in the sofware up-grade, that is what you get. One thing to note, that version was often less expensive via a software house (i.e. Compuadd here) than you could get it from Datastorm!! This was a fact that THEY frequently pointed out to people on their Forum, and was a major factor in me believing in them. They have a new version 2.0 out now. From what I have heard, it is having some "new software" blues (bugs). I elected not to get it as version 1.1B is VERY solid and does all I want. Cheers, -Don Spoon- There is 1 Reply. #: 10791 S7/Telecommunications 21-May-91 19:21:47 Sb: #10782-Modem Problem Fm: Ernest Withers Jr. 71545,1117 To: Donald R. Spoon 76417,1302 (X) Thanks, Don. #: 10734 S9/Utilities 18-May-91 16:41:39 Sb: #Ramdisk Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: ALL I am having trouble with my ramdisk (Kevin's rammer.bin) I did an ident on it and it shows module header incorrect. What I am trying to do is get the largest ramdisk possible on a 512k machine. Help> Br. Jeremy, CSJW There is 1 Reply. #: 10743 S9/Utilities 18-May-91 21:13:53 Sb: #10734-#Ramdisk Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X) Jeremy - perhaps it has some xmodem padding on the end or something... try loading it, then saving it back out and see if ident comes up okay then. The descriptor has been set up so that each "cylinder" = 8K of space, so you can dmode cyl=xx in hex numbers to whatever you'd like. For example, 320K would be 40 "cylinders" of 8K each, so that'd be "dmode /r0 cyl=28". I think ;-) There is 1 Reply. #: 10749 S9/Utilities 18-May-91 23:42:19 Sb: #10743-#Ramdisk Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) I'll try that, although, the file as I got it was simply rammer.bin, it wasn't arced, but I'll let you know. --Jeremy, CSJW There is 1 Reply. #: 10756 S9/Utilities 19-May-91 00:43:28 Sb: #10749-Ramdisk Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X) The problem is in the rammer.bin file. The Rammer_Bin file from the 1987 Rammer.ar checks out properly under ident. #: 10740 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 18-May-91 20:34:08 Sb: #os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: 76703,4230 (X) Pete, I took out my deskmate disk (os9 version 2.00.00) and exited deskmate. This puts me in the shell. Now a new problem, every command I type in comes back error#216. I tried the ident /d0/os9boot on this disk and got the same error. I also tried it onn my version 1.01.00 os9 system disk the boot file doesn't contain m1 on that one. It contains the following: IOMan RBF CCDisk D0 D1 D2 D3 SCF CCIO TERM RS232 T1 PRINTER P ACIAPAK T2 PipeMan Piper Pipe Clock SyssGo Shell Can any of the drivers in this bootfile be modified and rennamed to M1 or is that a whole different thing? How can I get into the deskmate disk to find out what is in the bootfile? I can't get any of the shell commands to work. Is there a different set of commands for the 2 different versions? Thanks Tom There is 1 Reply. #: 10759 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 19-May-91 09:40:36 Sb: #10740-#os9/telecomm Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) It sounds as if the deskmate disk is distributed with few (if any) of the stock os9 commands. Not a real problem, though... do this: 1) On original disk, type LOAD IDENT 2) Remove original (normal os9) disk, and insert deskmate disk 3) Type: ident /d0/OS9Boot (optionally output it to a printer if you have one ready by: ident /d0/os9boot >/p) 4) Replace the deskmate disk with the original, and type: unlink IDENT All this sequence does is place the ident command in memory so the system doesn't have to hit the disk up for it. I think I see where we're headed with all this, and it looks like two possible courses of action: a) Find a real copy of OS9 2.0.0 so we can build you a kernel with M1 and it's device driver (I can't recall if that's ACIAPAK or MODEMPAK). b) Get an RS232 pak with an external modem connected to it. There are several advantages to this approach, but the most obvious is that you can go faster than 300 baud, and that you can use the serial port for other things as well (with A/B switches, etc., like to use an X10 Powerhouse, or connect directly with another computer if you have one). Let me know how the 'ident' goes. Pete There are 2 Replies. #: 10761 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 19-May-91 09:44:29 Sb: #10759-#os9/telecomm Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) > I can't recall if that's ACIAPAK or MODEMPAK. I just had to look this up for a guy over on CoCo. M1 uses ACIAPAK while M2 needs MODPAK. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 10769 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 19-May-91 20:59:09 Sb: #10761-#os9/telecomm Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve - What's the general poop there? Are both /M1 and /M2 both for MODEM PAKs? Is this to say that /M1 under ACIAPAK's control will manipulate the MODEM PAK, or does it mean that /M1 is supposed to be a modem connected to the RS232 PAK? Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10774 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 20-May-91 07:23:13 Sb: #10769-#os9/telecomm Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) The way I understand it, both /m1 and /m2 are for the modempak. /M2 uses MODPAK to manipulate the modem pak (and I believe is a virq device) while /m1 relies on ACIAPAK. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 10777 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 20-May-91 11:53:54 Sb: #10774-os9/telecomm Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Thanks Steve. #: 10770 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 19-May-91 22:03:14 Sb: #10759-os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, Thanks for the information, I'll try this tonight and get back to you. Thanks a a Thanks again Tom #: 10742 S5/OS9 Users Group 18-May-91 21:00:03 Sb: need patch 0s9. Fm: rick j. kelley 70632,2562 To: all os9 group Does anybody know or have a patch for the older coco 2 games under os9 to rgb monitor like interbank, robot odesy, biosphere, etc. for the coco 3? thanks. Rick J. Kelley. #: 10755 S1/General Interest 19-May-91 00:41:08 Sb: Hires Pack Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: John Wainwright 72517,676 (X) Dear John If they are not available, Rainbow had a Bill Barden article on the hi-res interfaces, and as soon as I can find it, there was a graphic on modifying them for the MAX-10. I will upload the info. This way if Tandy is our of it, or them as the case may be, though I think the first is more accurate, people could build their own. -Br. Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 #: 10757 S1/General Interest 19-May-91 00:52:45 Sb: Os9 Level 2 BBS Fm: PHILLIP TAYLOR 72067,3430 To: ALL Os9 Users The Fido Exchange Bulletin Board is running 24 hours 7 days a week at 1200 and 2400 baud.We have Online Games,Upload/Download Section.We support both Rsdps and Os9 running on 40 meg hard drive. The Fido Exchange Vienna,Va Fido Node# 109/353 (703)-573-2246 1200/2400 Baud. #: 10762 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 19-May-91 15:01:32 Sb: #BOTCHED IT-OS9 Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 To: JAMES JONES 76257,562 (X) HI JAMES, SO ACCORDING TO YOUR LAST MESSAGE I WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE; CHX /D0/BASIC09 CHD /D0 ? AS YOU CAN SEE I'M STILL A LITTLE(?) CONFUSED ABOUT USING COMMANDS IN OS9. THANKS FOR YOUR HELP THOUGH, I'LL GET IT ONE OF THESE DAYS. MARK There is 1 Reply. #: 10765 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 19-May-91 17:57:09 Sb: #10762-BOTCHED IT-OS9 Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X) Try chd /d0 and chx /d0/cmds --that should get you further along. Also, give serious thought to buying a copy of *Start OS-9*, which will take you through stuff like this step-by-step. (Not meaning to imply that you should go away-keep asking questions!) #: 10771 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 19-May-91 22:37:10 Sb: BOTCHED IT-OS9 Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 To: JAMES JONES 76257,562 (X) HI JAMES, THANKS FOR THE TIP. I HAVE A HARD TIME WORKING WITH THINGS LIKE THE OS9 MANUAL WHEN ALL THEY TELL YOU IS SOMETHING LIKE "HERE, DO THIS" WITHOUT AN EXPLANATION OF HOW YOU CAN ACTUALLY APPLY IT TO WHAT YOU'RE WORKING ON.THE OS9 TOUR GUIDE HELPED ME SOMEWHAT BUT I STILL FOUND IT LACKING TOO IN SOME AREAS. ONCE AGAIN THANKS, MARK #: 10781 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 20-May-91 19:05:14 Sb: #os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: 76703,4230 (X) Pete, I tried ident like you said and outputted it to my printer, Here is what I got. IOMan RBF CCDisk D0 D1 SCF ACIAPAK T2 PRINTER P CCIO CO32 TERM Clock Sysgo Shell These are all the modules listed onn the printout. There is no M1, I looked in the modem pak manual and it says that the M1 driver needs the modem pak in slot 1 because it uses a hardware interrupt. And the m2 driver must be used in any slot except 1 because it used a polled software interrupt. It also says that os9 version 2.00.00 has these drivers. Is it possible that deskmate has deleted them and the cmds file. If I were to copy the cmds file to my deskmate disk I think it may allow me to use os9 commands. Do you know of anyone out there that may have a copy of the proper boot file to make my modem work? Thanks for your help Tom There is 1 Reply. #: 10790 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 21-May-91 17:09:02 Sb: #10781-#os9/telecomm Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Actually, based on what Steve Wegert has cleared up for me/us, you should probably be able to make a few simple changes to /T2 to make it an /M1. Or, you could still call it /T2, but just make the adjustments (patches) to it to make it functionally an /M1. Steve - if you have the modules handy, could you generate a CMP output of the two modules (under 2.0.0)? Hopefully they're the same size. Tom - once we get the list of changes, you can apply them with debug, and we can get going. In the meantime, some tools that may also be useful in this venture are: dEd, mverify, bootsplit, lmerge, an/or Patch. If you don't have them yet, do you have a way to download them from DL9 or DL10 and get them onto OS9 disks? Pete There are 2 Replies. #: 10792 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 21-May-91 20:42:25 Sb: #10790-#os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, I can't download a file and put it onto a disk unless the program has line numbers. I have to download to the cassette buffer, save on tape, switch to disk basic, load the program into memory,and copy to disk. If it is an os9 type program or file, they usually don't contain line numbers and I can't reload them under disk basic. I have to use the modem under extended basic without the os9 system working right now so if these are not too long I could take the file and output it to the printer and then type it in to os9 manually. Otherwise I don't know how we could do it. Let me know when you and Steve get the changes I need worked out then I can get this thing to work. Thanks for all your help. Tom There is 1 Reply. #: 10796 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 21-May-91 23:23:40 Sb: #10792-#os9/telecomm Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) I was somewhat afraid of that. In that case, we may have to: a) Get the poop from Steve (or others) b) Have you use debug to make changes to T2 c) Use SAVE to put a copy on disk with an updated revision number d) Use VERIFY to get a proper CRC e) Load the updated & revised version (after decrementing the in RAM copy's revision number) f) Do a COBBLER to generate a new boot. Let's see what shakes with Steve. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10809 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 22-May-91 20:15:36 Sb: #10796-#os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, Do you know what the changes are that would be needed for t2? Have you heard anything from Steve on this? Thanks for the help. Tom There is 1 Reply. #: 10815 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 23-May-91 07:28:26 Sb: #10809-#os9/telecomm Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Tom, Changes were posted yesterday morning. Give a shout if yu didn't find 'em. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 10819 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 23-May-91 18:56:35 Sb: #10815-#os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, I haven't seen them yet. Is this what pete told me to try? Can you post them again so I can try it? Thanks Tom There is 1 Reply. #: 10821 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 24-May-91 07:06:35 Sb: #10819-#os9/telecomm Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Tom, Type RI 10800 and the info you need is there. With that data, and a general understanding of the level 1 debug comand you can patch a copy of /t2 and make it /m1. If you need help, give a shout. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 10825 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 24-May-91 19:58:59 Sb: #10821-os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) thanks Steve, I'll give it a try and let you know how I make out. Thanks again. Tom #: 10800 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 22-May-91 07:32:27 Sb: #10790-#os9/telecomm Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, Here's the output of the cmp on my m1.dd and t2.dd. Both should be stock versions and are of the same length. M1.dd is the 1st column, T2.dd is the second. Hope this helps! Steve Differences byte #1 #2 ======== == == 00000010 6C 68 <----- change the address 00000027 01 06 <----- different baud rate value 0000002E 4D 54 <----- name 'm' vs 't' 0000002F B1 B2 <----- high order '1' and '2' 0000003C 23 9E | 0000003D 39 65 |<---- CRC 0000003E 12 5D | Bytes compared: 0000003F Bytes different: 00000007 There is 1 Reply. #: 10804 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 22-May-91 16:58:48 Sb: #10800-os9/telecomm Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Many thanks Steve - that's exactly what we needed! Tom, are you looking (and writing this all down)? Pete #: 10783 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 20-May-91 23:10:13 Sb: #MicroWare info... Fm: William Verthein 76557,3623 To: ALL Well, I've left three messages in Microware's forum including my work address and phone number over the last three months asking (almost begging) for info on a 386 version of OSK. Does anyone have a phone number for these guys? Are they still in business? I'm not used to begging to buy someone's product but I'm very interested in OSK and my company has a new product pow wow in September that I'd like to prepare for by playing with it. Any help would be appreciated. The Microware forum seems to be a dead end... thanx, wgv There is 1 Reply. #: 10784 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 21-May-91 00:09:29 Sb: #10783-#MicroWare info... Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: William Verthein 76557,3623 (X) The MW forum isn't really a forum... more of a "display area". Which means they may not check the messages these days (I think they will after seeing your message :-). Their phone number is 515-224-1929, ask for the OS-9000 info and catalog. best - kevin There is 1 Reply. #: 10808 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 22-May-91 20:07:16 Sb: #10784-MicroWare info... Fm: William Verthein 76557,3623 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Thanx a lot kevin!!! I have been beating my head against that brick wall for some time now. Much appreciated... #: 10788 S1/General Interest 21-May-91 15:26:25 Sb: #B-Trieve and OS9 Fm: Alessandro Peruzzo 100020,646 To: ALL Hallo, I'm calling from Italy, so please excuse for my English. I'm actually working on a project on CD-I. The problem is that now I need something like B-Trieve that work under OS9. Does anybody can help me???? Thank's from Ale There are 2 Replies. #: 10921 S1/General Interest 03-Jun-91 14:32:54 Sb: #10788-#B-Trieve and OS9 Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Alessandro Peruzzo 100020,646 (X) Hello, Ale! Your English is fine. Hopefully, someone more into databases will know of something which can help you out. I'm very interested in hearing more about your CD-I project... can you tell us any details? thanks.. and I hope someone can help you. regards - Kevin There is 1 Reply. #: 10938 S1/General Interest 04-Jun-91 07:11:08 Sb: #10921-#B-Trieve and OS9 Fm: Alessandro Peruzzo 100020,646 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Hello Kevin !!! Thank's for the reply. Well....it's a long story about our project on Cd-I, so I'll tell you only about our needs of B-Trieve. In Italy we develop and produce software for Cd-Rom( products like Enciclopedias, about Cooking, our last Cd-rom contain 1500 recipies with images, Medical Cd-rom for the family also with images ......). Now we would like to "import" some of these products on Cd-I and Commodore's CDTV.We woluld like to do this as soon as possible, our information retrieval, which we actually use for Cd-rom, is based on B-trieve, we would like to use it also with Cd-I and the problem is that in Italy nobody knows about something like B-trieve that works also on Cd-I. Looking forward of hearing news from You.... Regards from Ale. There is 1 Reply. #: 10971 S1/General Interest 05-Jun-91 20:20:06 Sb: #10938-#B-Trieve and OS9 Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 To: Alessandro Peruzzo 100020,646 (X) Your Btreive on a CD-Rom project is actually very similar to something I'm working on myself (indexed storage and retrieval on Worm & MO's). I would be happy to port B-treive to OS9 FOC (free of charge), but I don't have the code or better yet just tech spec's on the B-treve format. I do have access to CD players though, so I can test it out if somebody could get me the code or specs... Scott Griepentrog There is 1 Reply. #: 11013 S1/General Interest 10-Jun-91 06:36:26 Sb: #10971-B-Trieve and OS9 Fm: Alessandro Peruzzo 100020,646 To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 Hello Scott, thank you very much for your reply,I really hope you will help us. I'm looking forward of hearing news from you. Regards from Italy. Ale #: 10945 S1/General Interest 04-Jun-91 17:47:21 Sb: #10788-#B-Trieve and OS9 Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Alessandro Peruzzo 100020,646 (X) I'm not sure, but I think that IMS from Clearbrook Software Group may fit your needs. It's been a while since I read their docs but I'll see what I can find out. Lee There is 1 Reply. #: 11014 S1/General Interest 10-Jun-91 06:37:30 Sb: #10945-B-Trieve and OS9 Fm: Alessandro Peruzzo 100020,646 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) Ok, thank you very much. regards from Italy. Ale #: 10793 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 21-May-91 22:03:31 Sb: #os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: 76703,4230 (X) Pete, I have been playing around with both the Deskmate and os9 disks. The deskmate disk cmds file does not contain most of the os9 commands. I have used copy to add some of them to it and had success in doing so. It does however list a bunch of commands in the directory that all start with dm (deskmate). I don't know if these will be of any help but here is a list of what the cmds directory contains without the ones I have added. STARTUP Desk DMmenu DMapps DMcaln DMcards DMledger DMpaint DMterm DMTEXT DMalt DMdrv DMprn DMcal DMtim DMdsp DMopt DMhelp DMdskini DMbackup format DMmenu.hlp DMcaln.hlp DMcards.hlp DMledger.hlp DMpaint.hlp DMterm.hlp DMtext.hlp DMalt.hlp I so far have added : DIR rename MDIR COPY COBBLER DELDIR OS9GEN XMODE BUILD. I don't know if any of this will help but I thaught I would fill you in anyway. Thanks again for your help Tom There is 1 Reply. #: 10797 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 21-May-91 23:25:06 Sb: #10793-#os9/telecomm Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Tom - You'll also need: LOAD VERIFY and DEBUG. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10810 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 22-May-91 20:17:15 Sb: #10797-#os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, I'll add them tonight. Is there anything else I should copy to the deskmate disk? Thanks Tom There is 1 Reply. #: 10812 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 22-May-91 23:55:58 Sb: #10810-os9/telecomm Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Tom - Try booting that kernel, DON'T iniz T2. Then use debug (from another disk if you need it) to apply those changes to an in memory copy of the T2 descriptor. THEN INIZ T2 (or M1, if you apply the rename). Now try it out with your modem pak & deskmate. If it works, just use cobbler to throw a copy of this kernel on a new os9 disk and your done. I'll be away for about a week, so perhaps Steve Wegert can help you from here on in. Good luck! Sounds like you're 97.5 % of the way there. Pete #: 10802 S4/MIDI and Music 22-May-91 09:41:43 Sb: #UltiMuse3 Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332 To: all Hi. I just received UltiMuse3 from 2nd City yesterday. I have already entered my first score (O Sacred Head - a small hymn by J.S. Bach and others), which should say something about its ease of use. I could not get it to read a file from within umuse3. I could enter the filename as a command line argument, but if I attempted to read a file (from the files menu), I got something very close to "DirRead: cannot malloc enuf" and a "Press enter or click to continue" prompt. I have tons of free, contiguous ram (performing mfree from the sub-shell in umuse3 gave over 200k) as I have no windows or other shells running. I have tried forking it with "ex umuse3", but the extra 8 or 16k didn't make a difference. Am I doing something wrong? BTW - I really, really like it!! Mark There are 2 Replies. #: 10805 S4/MIDI and Music 22-May-91 18:05:12 Sb: #10802-#UltiMuse3 Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Mark Wuest 74030,332 (X) Let's see...could you perhaps have more stuff in the address space umuse3 is running in than should be there? Did you give an explicit memory allocation on the command line? (I think that one shouldn't.) There is 1 Reply. #: 10816 S4/MIDI and Music 23-May-91 10:19:53 Sb: #10805-#UltiMuse3 Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Thanks for the ideas. No, I didn't do "umuse3 #32k" - the manual explicitly tells you not to (although, in an attempt to fix this, I *did* try it - it didn't work ). We'll see what Mike says - I Unix mailed him, too since we both work for AT&T. There is 1 Reply. #: 10818 S4/MIDI and Music 23-May-91 17:48:51 Sb: #10816-#UltiMuse3 Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: Mark Wuest 74030,332 (X) I believe that Umuse works better without Shell+'s automatic allocation of 8K of memeory. There's a patch somewhere to disable that feature. Hugo There is 1 Reply. #: 10822 S4/MIDI and Music 24-May-91 10:47:18 Sb: #10818-UltiMuse3 Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332 To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X) Hugo, Bingo! Mike sent me e-mail this morning with the patch to shell+. I'll put it in tonight and make sure it fixes it. Thanks, Mark #: 10814 S4/MIDI and Music 23-May-91 06:02:26 Sb: #10802-#UltiMuse3 Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336 To: Mark Wuest 74030,332 (X) Mark, hang on for a response from Mike or call Ed at 2nd City. That malloc problem is a C language problem that has come up before (for me and others) but I can't remember the fix. It has to do with 8k sections of memory and how they are used rather than gross memory availability. You may learn something helpful from the documentation that came with the software, but I suspect Mike thought he'd killed the problem and doesn't mention it in the documentation. Great program, UltiMusE! Ches. There is 1 Reply. #: 10817 S4/MIDI and Music 23-May-91 10:25:19 Sb: #10814-#UltiMuse3 Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332 To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X) Ok - thanks for the response. This morning, I started putting in another piece, and decided to leave. When it asked if I wanted to save "" (I had not given it a name, yet), I didn't know what to do, so I said "y", hoping to be prompted for a filename - no such luck and I lost the file. Now I'm Sadder But Wiser :( Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 10828 S4/MIDI and Music 24-May-91 21:42:21 Sb: #10817-UltiMuse3 Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336 To: Mark Wuest 74030,332 (X) Boy, Do I know that feeling!!! Sorry about your loss, but it sure helps avoid a similar problem next time, right? Ches. #: 10803 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 22-May-91 14:35:20 Sb: Interbank Incident Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: All Can the Interbank Incident game be run in the CoCo 3/OS-9 Lvl 2 environment? Or does it require the CoCo/OS-9 Lvl 1 (ver. 02.00.00) environment? Lee #: 10806 S7/Telecommunications 22-May-91 18:06:00 Sb: UUCP problems Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: All .literal OK everyone, I have a problem and I'd like to fix it. I am currently running Mark Griffith's UUCP. The problem is that it won't work reliably for me. Details: 1. My system is set up to RECEIVE calls from another Coco running UUCP 2 towns over. The other guy is also using Mark's software and he in fact provides a mail feed to another coco user as well. They DO NOT experience any problems whatsoever. 2. My machine autoboots using the XT-ROM. GSHELL is started and is the only window open. 3. I have the following hardware/software: - 512K coco - Upgraded 26-3124 Multipak with pin-8's on slots 1 and 3 strapped. - Deluxe Rs232 Pak in slot 1 - B&B RTC in slot 3 - Diode IRQ hack between R2 and R7 (installed correctly) This is my bootfile: OS9p2 OS9p3 <-- Prints out full error description IOMan CC3Go <-- STOCK Clock <-- Bruce Isted's Clock.60hz/Elim package RBF RAM R0 BBhdisk <-- Version 2.4 dd CC3Disk <-- Patched for PCDOS D0 D1 SCF <-- W/Kevins enhancements VRN <-- Bruce Isted's Nil SACIA <-- SACIA.mpi from Eliminator software T2 <-- T2.sacia from Eliminator software PRINTER P CC3IO <-- From Bruce's SMOUSE package WindInt <-- Patched to not mask interrupts Term W W1 W2 W3 W4 W5 W6 W7 W8 W9 W10 PipeMan Piper Pipe Init <-- Flightsim version n #: 10807 S7/Telecommunications 22-May-91 18:06:54 Sb: UUCP problems Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: All The actual problem, which occurs about 90% of the time, is that my Coco gets "stuck" when receiving data. That is, a transfer starts, a couple of packets get through, then my machine doesn't acknowledge. I can make the transfer start again by opening a window and typing DIR (sometimes more than just once is required), or even pressing ENTER a couple of times. Is anyone out there aware of anything that would cause this despite the use of all the latest software and hardware upgrades?? Here is an XMODE of my T2 descriptor: nam=T2 mgr=SCF ddr=SACIA hpn=07 hpa=FF68 upc=00 bso=01 dlo=00 eko=00 alf=01 nul=00 pau=00 pag=00 bsp=08 del=18 eor=0D eof=1B rpr=09 dup=19 psc=17 int=03 qut=05 bse=08 ovf=07 par=0C bau=04 xon=11 xof=13 col=50 row=18 xtp=05 wnd=05 val= sty= cpx= cpy= fgc= bgc= bdc= The kicker is that the Coco sending me the mail is pretty much the same hardwarewise and softwarewise, except he uses GRFINT instead of WINDINT. Hugo Bueno | Delphi: MRGOOD Fanwood, NJ | Compuserve: 71211,3662 | UUCP: ...!(rutgers,njin)!fdurt!kc2wz!bluehaus!hugo or hugo@bluehaus.uucp #: 10823 S4/MIDI and Music 24-May-91 10:48:55 Sb: Ultimuse3 Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332 To: all I got e-mail from Mike K. this morning - the fix for my umuse3 problem is in shell+, not umuse3. He gave me a patch and I'll try it this evening. Thanks for your help and ideas! Mark #: 10827 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 24-May-91 21:18:50 Sb: ved/68k Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: All For those of you who have ordered VED/68K, keep looking in your mailboxes since the first shipments went out earlier this week. And for those of you who don't know what we're talking about, have a look at the new product announcement in the Hot Topics Library. The file VED68K.TXT gives all the details on this new editor. #: 10829 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 24-May-91 22:01:49 Sb: #os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: 76703,4255 (X) Steve, I wrote down the changes and have been trying for the last hour to make them. I have never used the debug command before and I'm getting lost.I can not seem to figure out how to make these changes. Any help would be welcome. Thanks, Tom There is 1 Reply. #: 10857 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 28-May-91 08:23:05 Sb: #10829-#os9/telecomm Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Tom, Just got back from a bit of vacation. Let me get my feet on the ground and I'll grab a manual and see what help I can offer. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 10859 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 28-May-91 20:34:45 Sb: #10857-#os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, Thanks I'll be looking forward to hearing from you. Thanks again. Tom There is 1 Reply. #: 10868 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 29-May-91 21:55:16 Sb: #10859-os9/telecomm Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Tom, Bear with me as it's been a long time since I've used debug. I tend to perfer dEd under Level II. First, make sure you're booted up, have a copy of debug either in memory or on a disk that your execution directory can find. Next, make sure t2 is in memory (MDIR will confirm this). I suggest you review page 161 and 162 in the orange Program Development guide that came with your level I OS9. Pay close attention to the section named 'Patching Programs' Type DEBUG 1) At the DB: prompt, type L t2 * this starts us off 2) expect an address and a value to be displayed. Make note of the address. 3) At thhe DB: prompt, type . .+10 * that's . . * and move us 10 bytes in 4) your starting address will be incremented by 10 and it's current contents will be displayed. In this case, it should be 68. 5) At the DB: prompt, type =6c * change 68 to 6C 6) At the DB: prompt, type L t2 * get a common ref. point 7) At the DB: prompt, type . .+27 * don't forget the space 8) At the DB: prompt, type =01 * if already 1, skip it 9) At the DB: prompt, type L t2 * rewind counter again 10) At the DB: prompt, type . . 2E * you get the picture 11) At the DB: prompt, type =4d 12) At the DB: prompt, type =b1 13) At the DB: prompt, type $SAVE temp m1 * save a copy of m1 as temp 14) At the DB: prompt, type $VERIFY u m1 * set the CRC and rename * temp to m1 15) At the DB: prompt, type $ATTR m1 e pe * set the attributes 16) At the DB: prompt, type $DEL temp * clean up 17) At the DB: prompt, type q * I'm outta here! At this point you have a modified t2 (now called m1) in memory. Fire up Deskmate, choose m1 as your device and see if things won't work better. If they do, use cobbler to make a new boot of the image you have in memory. Let us know what happens. Steve #: 10830 S1/General Interest 25-May-91 08:01:56 Sb: #CoCo 3/XT-Case Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413 To: all Hello: Can someone help me put a CoCo 3 - 512K into a XT-Case. I need some info on how to do it! Thanks Keith There is 1 Reply. #: 10839 S1/General Interest 26-May-91 09:04:28 Sb: #10830-CoCo 3/XT-Case Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X) ~ Download ATCOCO.TXT in lib 10. That sould tell you what's involved. I and many others have done it and it's not difficult. it's just time consuming. Mike #: 10833 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 25-May-91 13:48:53 Sb: #s10/os9/6809 (CoCo) Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 To: All I'm having a little trouble with DeskMate 3. I know thhis isn't the greatest program around, but for $4.95 it could be handy in a side window. (WWith DM,Basic09##32k, and a shell theres 200k left!) I was able to Config VDDG and WIND together, then XMode'd printer baud,modpatched step rates, set montype and Hi-Res mouse (using SRB's setype from CoCo Artist disk),and cobbled the whole meess. The only thing that hheld wass the stepping rate. DM uses the printer at 2400baud, but none of the windowss do unless I XMode again. Also DeskMate comes up in montype c and can't use thhe Hi-Res mouse at all(cursor wraps about 2 1/2 times). Even when I reset all of the above in startup, as soon ass I fork DeskMate, it all goes away again! Can anybody help me do any of the following: a. Get XMode to hold or b. extend StartUp past the DeskMate command c. get DM to boot in RGB d. scaale the moouse for Hi=res Note: I've got DeskMate on a Apps disk in /d1 (My only double sided)). Is this messing up CONFIG.DESK? I'm noticeing thhat third party programs usuaally work better than Tandy's own, ie Lvl1 DynaCalc from 1985 runs in an 80 col window no sweat. Mebbe if Tandy'd demanded thhhis kind of flexability in their own sooftware, thhhe CoCo wouldn't be dead! Thanx Rick 70540,3305 There are 2 Replies. #: 10836 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 25-May-91 18:55:20 Sb: #10833-s10/os9/6809 (CoCo) Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X) Rick - the best bet would be to go into Library 10 here, and do a "bro /key:deskmate" and see what pops up. I just did, and DMHELP.AR and DM3.SCR (I think?) came up. The second fixes the mouse problem, at least. The first may have some other patches you need. best - kev #: 10837 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 25-May-91 18:56:42 Sb: #10833-s10/os9/6809 (CoCo) Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X) Ooops.. that was DESK3.SCR to fix the mouse and let DM3 run in any vdg window. Some of the other files looked interesting too. #: 10835 S5/OS9 Users Group 25-May-91 16:16:42 Sb: Dynacalc Fm: tom farrow 72701,543 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) I have both l I and II operating from a 512 k coco3 with 2 dsdd drives one a Tea ak and the second a Panasonic . The trouble is that my back up does not boot nor does it respond to the chd or chx commands for running. I boot up on my Cave Walker disk and then exit and chd /d0 chx /d0/cmds on my master disk and get it started then I switch over to my backup . If this sounds somewha what clumsy ---it is and occasionally I get a 232 error which is a crc error at which time I retry. Also I would like to get Rogue up and going again this disk has 232 error and the Zapper does not fix it. I hope that this is go good enough for you to help. P.S. I CAN NOT BACK UP UNDER ANY METHOD INCLUDING L I OR L II OR R.S. BASIC with out getting a lot of errors from sector $018 on until I get tired of looking at the screen. sincerely Tom Farrow #: 10838 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 25-May-91 22:30:07 Sb: need patch for rgb Fm: rick j. kelley 70632,2562 To: all TO ALL any one know of a rgb patch for old coco 2 os9 program to go on the coco 3 rgb? thanks. Rick Kelley 70632,2562 #: 10841 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 26-May-91 18:27:27 Sb: #Cocopro RS-232 pak Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Anyone Help! I bought one of those Marty Goodman RS-232 kits; the one that uses a modified Modpak. I wired the thing up; that wasn't too hard. I wired it to use addresses $FF6C thru $FF6F since I already have a Disto RS-232 pak hooked up. Both paks are installed in a multipak which has all the interrupts wired together. The diode hack that connects the interrupt line to the CPU is also installed. These hacks have been working fine for awhile now. So.... I thought that to address this new port all I had to do was make a new boot disk with a /t3 device descriptor on it that had its physical address modpatched to $FF6C. Apparently not: I get a 'module not found' error when I try to access it. If I just boot up with my old boot disk that only has /t2 on it, I can modpatch /t2 in memory and write to the pak at $FF6C. It works with a printer somewhat. By somewhat I mean that I don't really want to use it with the printer cause when I first turn my system on the printer sends a signal to this pak which it can't handle. The system locks; a reset fixes it however, and I can then boot OS9. So.... I tried this pak with my modem. In the instructions it says to set the modem to always produce a positive CD signal. Fine, but both the TXD and RXD lines go high and stay high if I do that. I think there is more wrong here than just a software problem, but my only question is about the software. How do I set up the boot disk to recognize two RS-232 ports ? Tearing out hair, Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 10842 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 26-May-91 18:57:37 Sb: #10841-#Cocopro RS-232 pak Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X) Paul - dump your /t3 descriptor... I bet it has "modpak" as the driver in it instead of "aciapak". Try taking a copy of t2 and patching it just to change the name to "t3" and address to FF6C, and that should work. - kev There is 1 Reply. #: 10850 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 27-May-91 13:30:56 Sb: #10842-Cocopro RS-232 pak Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) You were right about the modpak thing. I will try your suggestion. I also found my hardware problem- seems one side of that paper ground plane is conductive, but so is the other side if you rub it with sharp things like IC pins. And it's official sunburn season here at the Jersey shore. So you're not alone. Paul #: 10848 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 27-May-91 00:38:41 Sb: #10463-#3 in 1 board Fm: Ed Shearer 70242,65 To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X) I have a 4 in 1 board. The manual has pin 1 DCD 2 RXD 3 TXD 4 DTR 5 GND 6 DSR 7 RTS 8 CTS 9 /10 N/C. The pins on the board when the components are on top and looking at the pins. (1) left side closest to board (10) directly above (1). (5) right side closest to board (6) directly above (5). There is 1 Reply. #: 10849 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 27-May-91 00:42:43 Sb: #10848-#3 in 1 board Fm: Ed Shearer 70242,65 To: Ed Shearer 70242,65 (X) In addition the DSR and CTS are always enabled as far as the RS232 is concerned and the RTS is always enabled as far as the modem is concerned. The DSR CTS were not connected to the modem There is 1 Reply. #: 10855 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 27-May-91 22:29:51 Sb: #10849-3 in 1 board Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 To: Ed Shearer 70242,65 Thanks Ed. In fact, I finally got through to Tony diStefano and worked it out and have been using the port for several weeks now. Works fine, and it is nice to finally have an OS9 terminal program and not have to use RSDOS to keep transferring the files over all the time. I must say, though, that while STERM works flawlessly and Quick B is very nice, Ultimaterm was a much more sophisticated terminal program and I miss my auto log on strings. Even a couple of hot keys would be nice. Anyway, thanks for the info. #: 10852 S3/Languages 27-May-91 19:04:20 Sb: Kreider clib Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Carl Kreider Carl, Here is a message you posted : #: 10225 S1/General Interest 12-Apr-91 10:31:41 Sb: clib bugs Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: all Recently there have been two bugs found in my 6809 library. One is in ctime() - I put it there when I fixed localtime(). The other is in the long division routine - it is Microware's bug. I will put up new versions of the libraries, but for those who don't want to download the whole thing for these two bugs, here are patches. For the ctime() problem: at offset $14c5 is 83 00 01 in both clib.l and clibt.l change that to 12 12 12 For the ldiv problem: at offset $617d is 6c 01 in clib.l or offset $7d02 is 6c 01 in clibt.l change that to 63 01 My apologies to all. Carl Going through my disk, I find the values at $617d in clib.l and $7d02 in clibt.l to be 6c 61 and not 6c 01 as you stated. Is this just a typo ? Paul R. #: 10853 S4/MIDI and Music 27-May-91 20:39:28 Sb: #10459-Bad Download Fm: Lester Hands 70135,430 To: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137 Bruce, unfortunately the LYRA3.AR program is only a demo and so not especially useful. I had released it in hopes of getting some feedback to spur me on to finishing it. That was over 3 years ago and the project was never taken up again.... If you still would like to get the program, you can send me $3 and I'll mail you a copy. You might want to consider Ultimuse 3 (OS9) or Lyra (RS-DOS) for serious use! Lester #: 10860 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 28-May-91 21:37:46 Sb: #SCSI vs.XT hd controller Fm: Sandy Tipper 72060,76 To: all Does anyone have a SCSI controller on a COCO3? What disk interface and driver do you use? Is there any advantage over the XT type controller (MFM drive, DISTO [and B&B?] interface) or whatever controller that LRTech (through Owlware) uses with its old interfaces (Xebec something not 1410)? I know that a SCSI controller/drive would prepare for a bigger machine, but I have MFM drives, and don't have the money now. Sandy There is 1 Reply. #: 10861 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 28-May-91 22:19:31 Sb: #10860-SCSI vs.XT hd controller Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Sandy Tipper 72060,76 (X) The folks I recall as having SCSI setups for the CoCo are RGB and KenTon. Advantages? Well...as you mention, SCSI hardware will move to other hardware readily. Also, one can get some pretty respectable SCSI hard drives these days--back when I got a 30Mbyte RLL drive for my CoCo, I shelled out $300+ for a 30 Mbyte, 65 ms, 5.25" half-height drive that was rather noisy, and then I needed to spend $100 for an Adaptec RLL controller. That was--gee, I guess maybe three years ago. Now, for less than the total $$$ on that, I can get a 105 Mbyte, 15 ms, 3.5" drive less than an inch thick, with on-drive cache and embedded SCSI controller. Four times as fast, three times the capacity, eats less power, and costs less $$$. Next thing--SCSI isn't just for disk drives; there are SCSI tape drives (if one could just get SBF for OS-9/6809...sigh), SCSI printers, Tony DiStefano's frame grabber that was demoed at the IMS booth at RAINBOWFest hooked up to the SCSI bus. So...if one has the appropriate software, one can use a variety of I/O hardware with SCSI. SCSI devices can also be told to go do something among themselves without bugging the "master" until it's done, but I don't know whether anyone's written the software needed to set up that kind of I/O. #: 10862 S4/MIDI and Music 29-May-91 00:00:43 Sb: #MFF10.AR Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464 To: all I just posted a file in LIB 4 called 'MFF10.AR': A TEST version of MFF10 is archived here in this file. It has the same syntax as MFF120 (provided in MFFCP.AR): MFF10 [output.mf0] #: 10867 S7/Telecommunications 29-May-91 21:04:10 Sb: #sacia & uucp Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: 76625,2273 (X) Bruce, Finally got my uucp to work right. The solution was to disable the hi-res mouse. I was running uucp in the background with gshell as the only main, open window. Someone on Delphi dropped that hint along with an explanation that the mouse takes more and more cpu time the further it is from 0,0. I guess even SACIA coudln't deal with that. All the while I was looking in the wrong places.... To all: I promised Mark Griffith that I would say this: A couple of times, I left messages here indicating that I was having trouble getting Mark's uucp to work. I just want to clarify that I didn't mean I had trouble with his actual program. What I meant was that I was having trouble making my set-up work with his obviously well written and debugged software! Sorry Mark! Hugo -------------------------------------->UUCP on a Color Computer 3<---- Hugo Bueno | Delphi: MRGOOD Fanwood, NJ | Compuserve: 71211,3662 | UUCP: ...!(rutgers,njin)!fdurt!kc2wz!bluehaus!hugo | or hugo@bluehaus.uucp ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There is 1 Reply. #: 10897 S7/Telecommunications 01-Jun-91 18:45:56 Sb: #10867-#sacia & uucp Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X) HB> Finally got my uucp to work right. The solution was to disable the HB> hi-res mouse. Hugo, I'm glad to hear you've got things sorted out. Just to complicate things, I thought I'd ask if you're using the standard joystick version of "my" CC3IO patches? The SMOUSE.AR package patches might alleviate your hi-res joystick problem, but no guarantees! Bruce There is 1 Reply. #: 10900 S7/Telecommunications 02-Jun-91 08:36:53 Sb: #10897-sacia & uucp Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X) Bruce, Yes, I am using the updated cc3io (patched via cc3io.joy.ipc). Hugo -------------------------------------->UUCP on a Color Computer 3<---- Hugo Bueno | Delphi: MRGOOD Fanwood, NJ | Compuserve: 71211,3662 | UUCP: ...!(rutgers,njin)!fdurt!kc2wz!bluehaus!hugo | or hugo@bluehaus.uucp ---------------------------------------------------------------------- #: 10869 S3/Languages 29-May-91 22:24:06 Sb: #C_Help Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: All OH SAY CAN YOU "C"...? Sorry I couldn't resist. I am in the process of working on a program called MVWORD. I recently uploaded a file (MVWORD.AR). I am currently working on the dialog boxes. While I am writing this in BASIC09, the current version of GFX2 does not easily allow for Dialog Boxes (radio buttons, etc..hint, hint KD?) I noted that on page 12 of ver 7 of Mike Sweets CFGX library reference, there is an example of some code for dialog box functions. At the moment I do not have access to a C compiler, but I was wondering if some one did, I you might be willing to make a small demo program using this code and upload it? In fact, if one of the C-programmer's out there would be willing to write some demo programs using the CGFX library and post both the source and the executable modules (I hope that's the correct terminology) it would be of great help to all of us struggling C programmers. Thank you for your help, Brother Jeremy, CSJW . CIS 76477,142 There are 2 Replies. #: 10876 S3/Languages 30-May-91 11:15:31 Sb: #10869-C_Help Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X) ~ There's quite a bit of source code (in C) in DL10 that uses CGFX.L. Grab EDPTR.AR, SKEL.AR, to name just a few... They'll get you started. Mike #: 10877 S3/Languages 30-May-91 11:15:37 Sb: #10869-#C_Help Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X) ~ Almost forgot, there's a good dialog box routine in EDCON.AR also. Mike There are 2 Replies. #: 10880 S3/Languages 30-May-91 23:07:29 Sb: #10877-#C_Help Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X) Mike it was so good to meet you at the "Fest". Thank you for your advice. I hope that before too long, I might have some real code to upload for MVWORD. --Br. Jeremy, CSJW There is 1 Reply. #: 10886 S3/Languages 31-May-91 11:11:06 Sb: #10880-#C_Help Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X) ~ You quite welcome! Nice to meet you at the Fest too! Did you get the C compiler yet? Or are you still looking for it? Maybe EDCON.AR is a revision without the source code? Anyway, a very simular routine IS in edptr.ar. I'm sure cause I uploaded it. Mike There is 1 Reply. #: 10888 S3/Languages 01-Jun-91 00:53:02 Sb: #10886-#C_Help Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X) I have the compiler. At the moment my system is set up with 2 40tr. ss drives, and 512k of memory. I have to just find a block of time when I can sit down and put a systems disk together. Of course if the Lord provides, a hard drive, 40tr. dobule sided drives, a onemeg upgrade, etc. my life would be easier. I have gathered together various hints on the compiler, so it is mainly a matter of choosing what would work best for me. Any suggestions? --Br. Jeremy, CSJW. There is 1 Reply. #: 10923 S3/Languages 03-Jun-91 19:03:53 Sb: #10888-#C_Help Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X) Well, Do you have Tandy Drives on your CoCo? If they are FD-502's they are double sided. You just need to make a boot with the dual sided descriptors in them and fix the drive cable. If they're FD-501's then they're single sided. Personally I like the CC.AR in DL 3 as a front end to the CoCo compiler. es /R0 for temporary files and really speeds up compiles. If you run into any Q's, just fire 'em this direction. Mike There is 1 Reply. #: 10996 S3/Languages 08-Jun-91 11:16:15 Sb: #10923-C_Help Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X) Unfortunately they are '501's. -Jeremy, CSJW. #: 10881 S3/Languages 31-May-91 00:24:46 Sb: #10877-C_Help Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X) I dl'd the EDCON program, but it does not include the C source, and there did not seem to be any dialog boxes within it. Is it possible that the older version 2.0 I think, had these. --Br. Jeremy, CSJW #: 10878 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 30-May-91 13:02:22 Sb: #10334-#Amiga 68K Fm: John P. Huston 70000,1033 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Kevin, I, too, would love to get a copy of OS9 for the Amiga. I started using OS9 with the CoCo, and have missed it since being moving to the Amiga. Is there a GUI for the Amiga version as well (as there is for the CoCo version)? Also, I think the last time I asked about an Amiga version there still was no graphics or sound library. Has that changed?? Ok...ok...lots of questions ! John There is 1 Reply. #: 10879 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 30-May-91 14:06:53 Sb: #10878-Amiga 68K Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: John P. Huston 70000,1033 (X) John - we're working on a GUI for the 68K machines (and of course, there's also RAVE from MW which could be ported, and G-Windows, and MGR, and X, etc), but the main thing stopping us on the Amiga is that we don't have the Amiga OS9 port in hand here in the US. People are working on this tho. You're not alone, btw... I get a lot of email here on CIS and on the Internet from Amiga owners who'd like to be using OS-9 again. Many of the better Amiga OS commercial programmers came from the coco/os9 world, also. cheers - kev #: 10887 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 31-May-91 20:57:57 Sb: #os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: 76703,4255 (X) Steve, I tried the changes and made a bootfile on a new disk and when I tried the mdir command I found that I no longer have a t2 and I don't have an m1 eithor. I tried the debug commands and cobblered a disk 3 times with the same result each time. What went wrong? H E L P !!! Thanks Tom There is 1 Reply. #: 10894 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 01-Jun-91 09:58:44 Sb: #10887-#os9/telecomm Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Tom, This is now getting to the tough stage. I would have expected you don't have a t2 any longer .... that's what you were changing. It should have been rename into m1. Do you spot some 'unknown' module hiding in memory? That might give us a clue. When you were doing the debug, did the values that were displayed match those in column 2? If not, perhpas you have a different /t2 than I have. Do a MIDR right after making all the debug changes and see what's there. Steve There are 2 Replies. #: 10898 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 01-Jun-91 19:51:19 Sb: #10894-#os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, I tried a mdir after I was done and I had all the modules I started with except t2. I also did not have an m1. I have made a new backup of my deskmate disk and am ready to try again. The values were the same I think, I'll try it again and let you know if I find any differences. Do you know what version of deskmate or os9 that has m1 already? This is getting frustrating. Is there any other software that will work with the modem pak and allow me to use disk? I could download files and copy them to os9 later if they were on disk to begin with. Maybe it is time to try somthing new, what do you think? Cann we fix this or is it a lost cause? I don't have the answer, do you? Thanks for all the help. Tom There are 2 Replies. #: 10901 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 02-Jun-91 09:42:51 Sb: #10898-#os9/telecomm Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Tom, This type of project via modem is difficult at best. So many places to go wrong! :-) Review docs on debug and cobbler and try again, paying close attention to the values that debug spits out. This is fairly straight forward in theory ... but in practice, can get hairy. In the meantie, I'll review my steps and see if I've led you down a wrong path (perhaps Pete and others can do the same. Nothing like a confirming opinion to keep your interest up! REgarding other software working with the modem pak: You still need /m1. If your copy of Level I has a module drectory ... check there. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 10906 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 02-Jun-91 19:09:22 Sb: #10901-#os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, I agree, it is diffucult, I will try again as I have had no success so far and get back to you. Meanwhile would you consider selling a copy of os9 or even the bootfile with m1 installed? Sounds simpler to me. If my local Radio Shack had it I would buy it because I'm sick of playing with this. It's getting old if you know what I mean. Thanks for the help. Tom There is 1 Reply. #: 10908 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 02-Jun-91 20:10:39 Sb: #10906-#os9/telecomm Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Tom, 'fraid I can't be selling something I don't have the rights to ... if you know what I mean. Pete's offered another suggestion .... do an Ident on the bootfile and make sure all the CRC are cool. Hang in there, we'll get you going. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 10909 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 02-Jun-91 20:32:17 Sb: #10908-#os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) GUESS WHAT? I AM ON DESKMATE WITH MY MODEM RIGHT NOW. I TRIED AGAIN AND FOUND A MISTEAK THAT I MADE. NOW I HAVE COBBLERED A NEW DISK AND TRIED IDENT ON IT AND THE CRC IS READING BAD SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL WORK. M1 IS THERE BUT IT HAS A BAD CRC. WHAT NEXT? TOM STEVE, There is 1 Reply. #: 10910 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 02-Jun-91 20:45:43 Sb: #10909-#os9/telecomm Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Cool! See! ... I told you we'd get there! Now .. lemme ask. When you saved the patched m1 module ... did you use VERIFY and the u option? That's critical. The u option tels verify to UPDATE the CRC. If all else fails, you can patch the CRC manually. The last 3 entries in our list _is_ the CRC. Just review the steps that got you to this point, and you should be home free. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 10912 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 02-Jun-91 21:37:25 Sb: #10910-#os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, I'm back to the modem pak direct without deskmate. I did save the updated m1 module and did use the verify u . I tried making a new deskmate disk with the one I used cobbler on and after copying all the files manually to it (time consuming) I fired it up and tried it . M1 doesn't exist on it. The cobbler didn't put it in the bootfile. If I update the crc manually, do I need to use verify too? I am so close now I just want to finish this thing. Thank you for your help with this project. I would not have gotten this far without it. Thanks again Tom There are 2 Replies. #: 10917 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 03-Jun-91 07:30:43 Sb: #10912-#os9/telecomm Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Tom, By updating the CRC manually, you'll not need to use VERIFY. I'm at a loss tho, why VERIFY didn't work. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 10920 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 03-Jun-91 13:53:17 Sb: #10917-#os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) STEVE, I GOT IT !!!!! Let me explain, I once again went thru the debug routine. Only this time I didn't use verify I just saved it. I then followed the instructions in the commands manual for verify from the shell. Then I used os9gen to build a new bootfile that has both m1 and t2, and GOOD crc values on both. I then made a new deskmate system disk which I am using right now. It's over , we did it and I would like to offer my thanks to you and Pete. Without all the help you guys gave me I never would have gotten this to work. Thanks again. Tom There are 2 Replies. #: 10930 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 03-Jun-91 21:18:45 Sb: #10920-#os9/telecomm Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay! Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10932 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 03-Jun-91 21:51:47 Sb: #10930-os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) you like that huh. #: 10939 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 04-Jun-91 07:23:57 Sb: #10920-#os9/telecomm Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Awwwright! Stuff like this always appears harder at first that it actually is. I'll bet you're an expert at building bootfile and patching modules now! Two good skills for any OS9'r! Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 10948 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 04-Jun-91 21:19:22 Sb: #10939-#os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, It was easier than I thaught, (expert) I don't know, but I did learn somthing. I ran into a different problem you may have the answer for. (oh no here comes trouble) I was on another forum last night and someone invited me to join them and I have no idea how to. Do you? Just thaught I'd ask. Thanks again for all your help, If you are ever in the MA/RI area look me up , I'll buy you a beer. Thanks again. Tom There is 1 Reply. #: 10960 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-Jun-91 07:16:20 Sb: #10948-#os9/telecomm Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Ahh! An easy one! If you've received the JOIN message while in the forum, some folks in the COnference area have INVITED you to JOIN their group. Enter the CO area, select the room number where they reside (you can issue a USER commad if you need help) and type /JOIN (don't forget the slash. All CO commands must be preceeded with a slash). For more help on CO and it's goodies, enter a /? inside COnference for online help. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 10966 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-Jun-91 19:00:41 Sb: #10960-os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, Don't want you to work too hard. Thanks for the info. Tom #: 10918 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 03-Jun-91 07:34:57 Sb: #10912-os9/telecomm Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Hmmm .... just a thought, Tom: Have you done an IDENT on the module you saved or just what's in memory? If the save module is good, what you might try is booting up a fresh copy of OS9 and loading the new module in memory, and then cobblering up a new boot. IF you're running cobbler before you ditch the old version in memory, or even if you're trying to load the new on on top of it (won't work) the bad CRC will keep it from moving during cobbler. Steve #: 10904 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 02-Jun-91 10:42:12 Sb: #10898-#os9/telecomm Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Tom - Sounds as if the patch wasn't accepted properly... the CRC of the M1 or T2 module is probably bad in the bootfile, and thus isn't accepted at boot/load time. Try doing an IDENT /d0/os9boot on one of the newer bootfiles. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10907 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 02-Jun-91 19:14:20 Sb: #10904-#os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, I'll try and let you know what happens. As I told Steve I'm getting sick of playing with this and at this point I'll try anything. So far I have had no success annd have managed to destroy 1 bootfile compleatly . Thank god for backups huh? I've made so many I'm loosing track of which ones are good and which ones aren't . I think it may be time to go shoppinng for software, do you have any? I don't know what else to try. Thanks for the help. Tom There is 1 Reply. #: 10929 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 03-Jun-91 21:15:48 Sb: #10907-#os9/telecomm Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Tom - At this point, why not send a coco'er (perhaps Steve) a floppy & postage and have them gen together the appropriate bootfile for you? May save what's left of your hair. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10931 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 03-Jun-91 21:50:39 Sb: #10929-#os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, How did you know I was going Bald? I got it working today, I found the problem with the debug routine and after creating the m1 module I os9genned a bootfile that contains both t2 and m1. I made a new deskmate disk today and am using it now. Thanks for all your help. I couldn't have gotten to this piont without you and Steve. Thanks again Tom There is 1 Reply. #: 10947 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 04-Jun-91 18:33:25 Sb: #10931-#os9/telecomm Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) No problem. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10949 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 04-Jun-91 21:23:02 Sb: #10947-#os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, Just wanted to say thanks again. You ready for another? How do I respond to someone when I am invited to join them? This happened to me and I didn't have a clue. Also like I told Steve if you are ever in the area look me up, we can get together for a beer or two, my treat. Thanks again for all the help. Tom There is 1 Reply. #: 10965 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-Jun-91 17:48:50 Sb: #10949-#os9/telecomm Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X) Tom - Steve will be better help there... I'm more of a C type than a CIS type, I'm afraid (grimace).... Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 10967 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-Jun-91 19:02:55 Sb: #10965-os9/telecomm Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, Thanks anyway, Steve was relieved to see an easy one anyway. Catch you later Tom #: 10903 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 02-Jun-91 10:40:06 Sb: #10894-os9/telecomm Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve (I'm back), Have him do an IDENT on the newly constructed bootfile. Sounds as if the CRC of the module doesn't jive with the contents. Pete #: 10889 S3/Languages 01-Jun-91 01:06:29 Sb: #CCEnv Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: All Does anyone have any information on a company named FoxWare, or its owner Chris Fox. He had produced a program called CCEnv. It was reviewed by Dale Puckett in the Nov 88 issue of Rainbow. It was a graphic based driver for OS-9 compilers. If it is not available, does anyone have a legal copy with documentation that they would like to sell? --Br. Jeremy, CSJW There is 1 Reply. #: 10893 S3/Languages 01-Jun-91 08:07:45 Sb: #10889-#CCEnv Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X) I think that the Foxware product was vaporware. As I remember it, the ad you mentioned was the only one ever printed. Now, I just recently saw a message on the bitnet coco list that members of the Australian os9 group have posted their own version of a CCenv which is modeled after the turbo c environment. It'll probably make its way here at some point. Hugo -------------------------------------->UUCP on a Color Computer 3<---- Hugo Bueno | Delphi: MRGOOD Fanwood, NJ | Compuserve: 71211,3662 | UUCP: ...!(rutgers,njin)!fdurt!kc2wz!bluehaus!hugo | or hugo@bluehaus.uucp ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There is 1 Reply. #: 10914 S3/Languages 02-Jun-91 23:52:02 Sb: #10893-CCEnv Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X) Thank you, I will keep my eyes and ears open. -Br. Jeremy, CSJW #: 10902 S6/Applications 02-Jun-91 09:54:01 Sb: #Home Librarian Wanted Fm: Robert Heller 71450,3432 To: anyone I am looking for a simple home librarian program. I have alot of books and tapes (audio and video), which I would like to catalog. I guess I could write a simple database-like program, but if someone has already done this it would save me the effort. I've already scanned the libraries and did not find anything usefull. Oh, I'm running OS-9/68K (Force CPU-30). Robert There is 1 Reply. #: 10924 S6/Applications 03-Jun-91 19:04:02 Sb: #10902-#Home Librarian Wanted Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 To: Robert Heller 71450,3432 (X) I tried BRO'sing the different libs and didn't come up with anything. You might want to see if there's something in the UNIXFORUM. I've found that much of there stuff ports easily. I'll keep my eyes open for ya too! Mike There is 1 Reply. #: 10946 S6/Applications 04-Jun-91 18:26:10 Sb: #10924-Home Librarian Wanted Fm: Robert Heller 71450,3432 To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X) I'd already did some BRO'sing myself before I entered my message. I've already checked the UNIX libraries on BIX. (I have not yet checked comp.sources.??? on the InterNet yet - haven't had time at work...) Robert #: 10905 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 02-Jun-91 15:29:58 Sb: #Multistart bug Fm: William Phelps 75100,265 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) I seem to have reinstalled a bug. What is the specific patch to cure the disappearing window problem in GShell? Everything else in my system seems fine. William There is 1 Reply. #: 10925 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 03-Jun-91 19:04:10 Sb: #10905-#Multistart bug Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 To: William Phelps 75100,265 (X) Mark's off line for a while, so I don't think he'll be able to reply. And I can't remember the patch!!!! I'm sure someone remembers tho... Kev?? You remember the patch for GSHELL to solve the dissappearing window thing? Mike There is 1 Reply. #: 10977 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-Jun-91 22:09:08 Sb: #10925-#Multistart bug Fm: William Phelps 75100,265 To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X) If it is any help, here is the output of Ident for this buggy version of Gshell. Header for: Gshell Module size: $3B48 #15176 Module CRC: $C10CD1 (Good) Hdr parity: $5B Exec. off: $001D #29 Data Size: $1808 #6152 Edition: $02 #2 Ty/La At/Rv: $11 $81 Prog mod, 6809 obj, re-en, R/O William There is 1 Reply. #: 11000 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 09-Jun-91 07:12:59 Sb: #10977-#Multistart bug Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 To: William Phelps 75100,265 (X) Best bet on fixing your GShell problem is patching an original with the last set of patches. I think they are in GSHEL3.AR or some such file. I can't seen to remember what was done to fix the problem you've been haiving, but I'm sure the last patches had the fix. Mike There is 1 Reply. #: 11049 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 12-Jun-91 00:13:06 Sb: #11000-#Multistart bug Fm: William Phelps 75100,265 To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X) Thanks Mike. I tried searching with a KEY of GSHELL, but I did not see version 3 of anything. I will try Kevin next. William There is 1 Reply. #: 11051 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 12-Jun-91 06:00:43 Sb: #11049-Multistart bug Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 To: William Phelps 75100,265 After doing a BRO/key:GSHELL in DL 10 i came up with the file GSHEL2.AR as the patches to GShell V1.24 to create V1.24a. This is the patch that fixed the disappearing window bug and what remaining bugs Kent found. GSHELL.AR is the patch to the STOCK GShell to create V1.24. That sould get you fixed up, Mike Sorry I didn't do the bro before! #: 10911 S4/MIDI and Music 02-Jun-91 21:19:41 Sb: #10442-UMUSE3 Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 To: Bert Schneider 70244,427 Belated response, sorry.... By now you should see that the Percussion Clef and its sub-menu tell what percussion sounds go with each note "pitch." That solves the problem you mentioned, a real pain between different synths. Good luck on the hardware MIDI. After seeing an official Dr Goodman hack of a DC MODEM Pak to RS232 Pak (at local club meeting), I decided it should be just as easy to hack those to MIDI Paks. If I had gtobvs of time, I'd do one and write an article, pub domain, and get everybody doing that. Best, mike k #: 10913 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 02-Jun-91 23:20:26 Sb: #new OSKer Fm: Clyde C. Price, Jr. 76616,3452 To: all Kevin I just recently purchased from Peripheral Technology a PT68K4 computer with an 80Meg harddisk and VGA monitor. I'm very interested in being a beta tester for the software being ported over into the OSK environment, and particularly interested in seeing which programs originally ported for the MM1 can be immediately used in the PT machine. I'm also hoping to get OSK versions of RiBBS and OSterm as soon as they're available. The PT machine is my FIRST OS9 machine, so I'll also have all those "beginner"-type questions, and need all the friendly general advice that I can get. I'm glad that you and the other folks are here on CIS! --Clyde There are 3 Replies. #: 10915 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 03-Jun-91 00:09:24 Sb: #10913-new OSKer Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Clyde C. Price, Jr. 76616,3452 (X) Thanks Clyde... there are/will be a lot of OS9/68K novices around here soon; so you won't be alone, I assure you! I'm still learning things myself, so I may be asking you for help later on. cheers - kevin #: 10926 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 03-Jun-91 19:04:19 Sb: #10913-#new OSKer Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 To: Clyde C. Price, Jr. 76616,3452 (X) Clyde, Welcome aboard! I'm sure you'll love OSK. No problem on all the future questions... That's what the forum is all about. You'll find most Q's get answered with in a day or so. What kind of software you looking for? Mike There is 1 Reply. #: 10961 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 05-Jun-91 08:33:21 Sb: #10926-new OSKer Fm: Clyde C. Price, Jr. 76616,3452 To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X) Mike, I'm looking primarily for communications, wordprocessing, and BBS software IMMEDIATELY. Other stuff as available. I'm beginning to look for sources of sourcecode from other machines, especially CP/M, since that bunch of programs worked well in 64K windows and was terse and highly functional programming. Thanks for the encouragement! --Clyde #: 10951 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 04-Jun-91 22:22:50 Sb: #10913-new OSKer Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 To: Clyde C. Price, Jr. 76616,3452 (X) Welcome aboard Clyde!! I too own a PT68K (40meg) computer. Great things are a happenin' in the 68k osk market (comparitively (sp?) speaking)! Great system tho, Again, Welcome aboard!! #: 10916 S7/Telecommunications 03-Jun-91 01:53:16 Sb: #Making the ESCape Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: ALL sterm requires using ESC plus a character to carry out functions. I have been doing this with CTRL-BREAK and the character. This does not work reliably; I often must repeat the key sequence. Is there a better way to generate an ESC character on the COCO3? There are 2 Replies. #: 10919 S7/Telecommunications 03-Jun-91 07:37:33 Sb: #10916-Making the ESCape Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich, I've not run across the problem you described. Make sure you're depressing the key first, then the then the needed character. Steve #: 10927 S7/Telecommunications 03-Jun-91 19:04:27 Sb: #10916-Making the ESCape Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich, I can't think of any other way to generate and ESC, except CNTL-BREAK on the CoCo keyboard. A few years back, I found another way.... I bought one of Bob Puppo's XT keyboard interfaces. Besides the modem, it was the best hardware purchase I made. It allows you to hit an ESC key only. I think you can still get the interface form FHL (Frank Hogg Labs). The other bonus is that you can use any XT/AT keyboard with the CoCo you want and put the CoCo under the desk. Mike #: 10928 S1/General Interest 03-Jun-91 20:36:58 Sb: PNW CoCo Fest Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 To: All Hi All, In case you haven't seen this around, here's the latest information I've come across about the Pacific North West CoCo Fest from Rodger Alexander: Has anybody been talking up the NW CoCo Fest in Port Orchard on the 21-22 of June????? I've got the names of the Speaker and the complete agenda: FRIDAY evening at the Best Western Bayview Inn in Bremerton. 7:30 Brook Stanford from KOMO-TV will be the guest speaker SATURDAY at the HiJoy Bowl on Bethel St. in Port Orchard 9:00 AM: "History of the CoCo" by Tom Rosenbaum of Spectral Assoc. 9:30 Swap Meet (bring your stuff....Registration include free space) 10:30 Mini Sessions: Hardware & pgrades: Rodger Alexander Communications: Scott Honker (Microsoft) BASIC: Mark King Sources for HELP and SOFTWARE: Terry Laraway OS-9/Unix: Les Bulyar, Alan Johnson, Bob Foster, John Schliep 12:30 Luncheon with Keynote Speaker Chris Burke (Burke & Burke) Contact Donald Zimmerman, 3046 Banner Rd. SE. Port Orchard, WA 98366 (206) 871-6535 $25 Registration fee includes everything including a CoCoFest MUG. You can also choose to pick and choose each event at $5/ea. Best Western Bayview Inn is the motel headquarters....call 373-7349. And when we're all done.....we can go bowling! #: 10933 S7/Telecommunications 03-Jun-91 22:15:43 Sb: #Binary dload on sterm Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: ALL For several weeks I have successfully used sterm 1.2 to download ASCII files and capture text screens (as in APV). I thought sterm could download a file in XMODEM and Kermit. Without the ability to use either of those, it is impossible to download a binary file in this forum, which means I am really not much better off than before I got this program. Could there just be an unlisted ESCape key sequence that sets these protocols? Or should I look for another OS-9 terminal program? Or just stay with Mikeyterm 4.7 and DECB? I have had OS-9 LII for nearly 6 months and have accomplished near-nothing, beyond four different boot disks. There are 3 Replies. #: 10934 S7/Telecommunications 04-Jun-91 00:03:50 Sb: #10933-Binary dload on sterm Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Hi Erich - sterm will download using the much faster CompuServe "B" protocol, which is why we all use it here. When you're ready to download a file (in this example, after BROwsing), you could type "dow /proto:b" which will prompt you for a filename on your disk to go to, and all is automatic after that. Or better: leave here and "go default" which is a free area on CIS where you can set your default transfer protocol to "B", and then you'll always download using it by default here on CIS. Then you can just do a "dow" command on a file and CIS will automatically use the B protocol. This sounds harder even than it is... just GO DEFAULT and follow the prompts for default transfer mode for Permanent sessions/settings. Then come back and try doing a download. Yell if have troubles. best - kev #: 10936 S7/Telecommunications 04-Jun-91 01:46:07 Sb: #10933-Binary dload on sterm Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Eh? B protocol should work perfectly well for downloading binary files. What makes you think that without XMODEM or Kermit protocol it is impossible to download a binary file? #: 10941 S7/Telecommunications 04-Jun-91 07:36:06 Sb: #10933-#Binary dload on sterm Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) What _may_ be confusing you, Erich, is the absence of any command for a B proto download on the startup screen of Sterm. Not to worry ... B proto is built in. When you type DOW at the LIB prompt, and specify B proto, CIS takes it from there and initiates the transfer. B proto is yards faster than either xmodem or Kermit on CompuServe, but you still can use either by Shelling out and running an external protocol utility. For instance, I log on routinely to a system in Florida and transfer files with SZ/RZ (a zmodem external utility). Likewise, I'm forever moving files back and forth between the office and home using Kermit. Just to a shell and issue the comands. But here .... nothing beats typing DOW and letting the system take over! Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 10952 S7/Telecommunications 04-Jun-91 23:50:49 Sb: #10941-#Binary dload on sterm Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) What happens is that I ESC-c which turns on capture. This seems to be doing exactly the same thing as CTRL-1 on Mikeyterm. Everything winds up in the buffer (protocol menus, Enter a filename for your computer prompt, etc.). And this capture seems to me to be no different than telling CIS dow filenm.ext proto:capt. I have considered altering my profile to a protocol in place of my present "SHOW MENU". But I make frequent use of both XMODEM and CAPTure on MT. And I am planning to get a new DECB terminal program that will give m VT-100 emulation. It supports YMODEM, which is one more protocol to deal with. So SHOW MENU seems to be the best for me to use until once and if I have terminal programs for both DECB and OS-9 that both support the same fast protocol (e.g., YMODEM (or ZMODEM once and if CIS supports it)). There is 1 Reply. #: 10959 S7/Telecommunications 05-Jun-91 07:11:12 Sb: #10952-#Binary dload on sterm Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Nothing wrong with the SHOW MENU option. I'm still set that way .. out of laziness, if nothing more.. is similar to Mikeyterm's -1 in that it captures incomming data, but while MTERM is limited to appx. 40K, STERM is only limited by the amount of available disk space. Downloading directly to disk is a big plus when dealing with large files. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 10963 S7/Telecommunications 05-Jun-91 12:06:58 Sb: #10959-#Binary dload on sterm Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) OK, but how does that ESC-c enable downloading in CIS B protocol? It seems I can only ASCII CAPTure on sterm. Perhaps I just don't know enough about how B protocol works, but I just don't see it. I may go back to the Practice Forum and just try to download something and see what happens with it. At least I won't get a 4-digit bill experimenting. There is 1 Reply. #: 10982 S7/Telecommunications 06-Jun-91 07:41:53 Sb: #10963-Binary dload on sterm Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Erich, won't enable B proto downloading. That only opens a capture buffer for ASCII captures. B proto is automatic. Lemme try this: When you type DOW filename and select B proto, CIS polls your terminal program with an specific escape series. They call it an INQUIRY. If your terminal program supports B proto, it "knows" to respond back to the INQUIRY with an appropriate answer and the transfer takes off. If not, it sits there dumbly for 3 attempts (just to make sure it got it right) and bombs out. This is all going on between the host (cis) and the remote terminal (you). The operator has no involvement other than answering what ever prompts the system may throw at you. Give it a try and you'll see what I mean. Enter any LIB, and nab a file using B proto. Sit back and watch! Steve #: 10935 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 04-Jun-91 00:54:54 Sb: #help me! Fm: Ross Whitney 70640,3230 To: anyone / help! Dear experts, ^ ^^I just picked up Deskmate & Dynacalc for the CoCo 2 at closeout prices. Do they contain enough of os9 to be useful to me? Please drop me a line! Ross Whitney, 70640,3230. There are 3 Replies. #: 10937 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 04-Jun-91 03:28:53 Sb: #10935-help me! Fm: Robert A. Hengstebeck 76417,2751 To: Ross Whitney 70640,3230 (X) You can also pick up os9 level one and os9 level two at close out prices. If you haven't done so, do it before there is no more of them. Gee I've got a fortune invested in the software that I have, that now you can get for a whisper. #: 10940 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 04-Jun-91 07:29:20 Sb: #10935-#help me! Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Ross Whitney 70640,3230 (X) Ross, If I recall, Deskmate is on a 'limited distribution' OS9 disk. There are some utilities (commads) but not many ... but it will give you a flavor. On the other had, Dynacalc is only an application disk. Somewhere on the package it should tell you you need the Operating system for proper execution. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 10943 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 04-Jun-91 15:16:52 Sb: #10940-#help me! Fm: Robert A. Hengstebeck 76417,2751 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, Ross; Dynacalc from Radio Shack comes with a limited level one bootup capability. So you can use it as a stand alone package. However that is the 32 column screen. You can run dynacalc under level two, with the 80 column screen. I forget if there was a patch required to run it. There are 2 Replies. #: 10944 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 04-Jun-91 17:41:18 Sb: #10943-help me! Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Robert A. Hengstebeck 76417,2751 (X) There's not a patch to allow it to run on Lvl 2. Dynacalc automagically adjusts its worksheet dimensions to accommodate whatever size window it happens to be started in. There is a patch to take out the extra linefeed that it does during print operations. Also there's a patch around somewhere that allows the use of .dyc as the spreadsheet file extensions instead of .cal which gets mixed up with Deskmate's Calender files. The extension overlaps only really causes a problem in a hard drive environment where you would (and could) have deskmate and dynacalc up at the same time particularly in the Multi-Vue mode of operations. Lee #: 10958 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-Jun-91 07:06:09 Sb: #10943-#help me! Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Robert A. Hengstebeck 76417,2751 (X) Robert, You got me wondering .... I thought for sure it was just an application so I pulled my distribution disk to check. You're correct. It does have a limited version of OS9. Steve There are 2 Replies. #: 10962 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-Jun-91 11:20:16 Sb: #10958-help me! Fm: Robert A. Hengstebeck 76417,2751 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) The reason I knew about the Boot up ability is that I've been demonstrating it at the store. However I have to first boot up on the later version of OS-9 level one, to allow it to work on the coco III's which were all that we had in the store. I think that we have 4 copies of dynacalc in my store at 4.95 each, and also have a OS-9 level II startup kit at ? 9.95 . I don't know what else we have since they're all bagged up in the back of the store. We just went thru a complete remodeling, and I don't think that the manager wants put them back up on display. And I agree. There realy isn't room on the shelves for this stuff any more. #: 11007 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 09-Jun-91 18:54:08 Sb: #10958-#help me! Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) About using DynaCalc under Lvl2 floppys- if you load utilitys at boot and then switch to an application disk with dynacalc on it, it gives a module not found error. Seems DynaCalc expects the DIR util. to be in it's CMDS directory,even if its already in RAM. Rick There are 2 Replies. #: 11017 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 10-Jun-91 07:28:20 Sb: #11007-#help me! Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X) Hmmm ... that's strange. If I'm not mistaken, standard search pattern for OS9 is, check memory, if not there, look to the execution directory. Have you tried issuing a 'chx /dd/cmds' and 'chd /dd' to get things pointed in the right direction after you've swapped in the applicaion disk? Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 11019 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 10-Jun-91 15:32:41 Sb: #11017-help me! Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, It might not be trying to execute via the shell, it might be trying to load it, link to it, and then fork it directly. It should, however attempt to link to it first, before attempting to load it. Bill #: 11039 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 11-Jun-91 10:26:40 Sb: #11007-#help me! Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X) Are you talking about the Tandy Version of Dynacalc requiring the DIR command to be in the CMDS directory? It could be that a CHX and/or a CHD needs to be done when you switch to your application disk with dynacalc on it. Lee There is 1 Reply. #: 11048 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 11-Jun-91 23:40:19 Sb: #11039-#help me! Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) Color my face red! I'm using /d1 as data and /d0 as a huge CMDS directory. Dynacalc.TRM got lost in the shuffle until I chd to track the 216 error, which of course fixed everything. Looking thru my data disks some have TRM and some don't(does anybody have a HD cheep?) which pretty much leaves me older and wiser.If I hadn't laid out that new budget I'd still have boot problems besides BLOB........ Thanx for the info Rick There are 2 Replies. #: 11055 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 13-Jun-91 09:48:38 Sb: #11048-#help me! Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X) Rick, before I got a hard drive, I patched Dynacalc at location $0B70 which should read on your system "dynacalc.trm". I changed that using dED to read "/dd/cmds/dyt", then requested that dED re-verify the newly patched Dynacalc. This patch will make Dynacalc look for the a file called "dyt" in the CMDS directory on your system's Default Drive. You'll have to copy dynacalc.trm from your data disks to /DD/CMDS with the name DYT, but at least you won't have to have copy of it on most, if not all, of your data disks. Dynacalc.trm is almost 13K, so it will take some space, but at least it will only be taking up space in one place. Lee There is 1 Reply. #: 11057 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 13-Jun-91 13:39:34 Sb: #11055-help me! Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) Lee - Dunno if the coco version is the same, but the generic version of Dynacalc would look in the execution directory if a copy wasn't found in the current directory. Of course I had to keep multiple copies in various directories because of different terminal types I had. I ended up writing a 'dc' shell that would check the crt type (via a /dd/sys/ttytype entry) and copy the appropriate .trm file to the local directory before invoking Dynacalc. Pete #: 11056 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 13-Jun-91 09:55:29 Sb: #11048-#help me! Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752 To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X) I guess you could put Dynacalc.trm in your SYS directory, too. You'd just have to move the $0D (carriage return) that delimits the file name string in Dynacalc one position to the left. Or you could just change the string to "/dd/sys/dytr" or something like that so that the string length was exactly the same as the old. Anyway, there's more than a few options that can be done or not done as the case may be. Lee There is 1 Reply. #: 11064 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 13-Jun-91 23:57:48 Sb: #11056-#help me! Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X) Thanks for the info.I'll have to get right on it,the 'extra' 13kper disk will come in handy. Unfortunately,all I've got is modpatch.(Where did I put that ASCII table anyway?) BTW, is there a DOC for modpatchh anywhere? It's not mentioned in the manual, and all I really know about it is what can be inferred from the few patches I've collected.Does it do anything besides l,c,v? Tahhnks again- Rick There is 1 Reply. #: 11068 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 14-Jun-91 03:21:19 Sb: #11064-help me! Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 Rick - see MODPAT.TXT in Library 10. Also try "modpatch -?" and you'll see the options. best - kev #: 11008 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 09-Jun-91 21:01:44 Sb: #10935-help me! Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666 To: Ross Whitney 70640,3230 (X) Ross, I too picked up Deskmate at a closeout price. I did find that it contains os9 but the CMDS directory is very limited. If you can pick up a copy of level 1 os9 you can use COPY to add the commands you may desire to the deskmate disk. I just added an M1 driver to mine with the help of the folks here and I now can use my DCM pak with deskmate. You would be making a smart investment if you purchased os9 while you still can. Tom #: 10950 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 04-Jun-91 21:41:21 Sb: #ZIP AND UNZIP Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 To: ALL Hi All, I just downloaded some zip files and also put UNZIP and UNZIP3 on the same disk. But now I can't get them to run. I've tried and nothing seems to work. Can one of you give me a hand? Thanks, Mark There are 2 Replies. #: 10956 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-Jun-91 05:48:23 Sb: #10950-ZIP AND UNZIP Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X) Ummm...if those are OS-9 program modules, which I think they are--I don't know of any Disk BASIC-loaded unzip programs--then you really will need OS-9 to run them. You might want to consider using OS-9; I think you'll find that a lot of people here like it quite a bit. :-) #: 10957 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-Jun-91 06:28:08 Sb: #10950-ZIP AND UNZIP Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X) Mark, As James mentioned....these are modules which will run under OS9, not RS-DOS (what you get when you turn the computer on). You will need OS9....the .AR de-archiving program out of LIB 9...and a disk. Do you have all of these? Dan #: 10954 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-Jun-91 03:32:02 Sb: TomCat Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003 To: all Anyone out there using a TomCat? If so, how compatible is it with CoCo software? How is it with OS9? #: 10955 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-Jun-91 03:51:30 Sb: #Cassette Port Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003 To: all How do I access the cassette port on the CoCo3 under OS9 Level II? Would it be thru /T1? There is 1 Reply. #: 10964 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-Jun-91 12:10:33 Sb: #10955-#Cassette Port Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: George Hendrickson 71071,2003 (X) I'd suggest downloading RELAY.AR in Lib10. Once you use AR to unARchive it, you will get a new command to add to your /cmds directory. Then all you need to do is type relay on or relay off. /t1 is not needed for this, but I presume a remote user under /t1 can reach Relay as you can under /term. There is 1 Reply. #: 11003 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 09-Jun-91 11:07:43 Sb: #10964-Cassette Port Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) Thanks for the info! I'll check it out... #: 10970 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-Jun-91 20:11:16 Sb: King Quest, Laser Surg. Fm: Rod Motto 73247,424 To: ALL Hi All; I recently got KINGS QUEST III, installed it on my hard drive and put the two modules a new boot. I ran into trouble though with the TOC.TXT config file. Can someone please tell me how it should be set up. Myself and others here in the Milwaukee OS-9 group would be very appreciative! LASER SURGEON: Does anyone know how to make the "MM" autoexec file work for hard drive use? -or is it even possible?? I think I've seen others with these autoexecutables that are unreadable, could there maybe be an alternative way to change them?? Again, thanks very much! -rod #: 10972 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-Jun-91 20:28:04 Sb: #zip and unzip Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X) DAN, I don't have the de-arcing out of lib 9, but I do have dual disks. Do you know off-hand what the de-arc file name is? I'll be sure to go get it. thhanks, Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 10993 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 08-Jun-91 08:37:16 Sb: #10972-zip and unzip Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X) Mark, First, you must be in the OS9 environment. Or, be able to transfer the file over to the OS9 environment using DOSOR9.BAS. Download AR09.BIN from LIB 9. Once this file is on an OS9 disk...make sure the attributes are PE,PW,E,W (the PR and R are optional, but the others should be set on).....and then rename the file to AR using the command: RENAME AR09.BIN AR Viola! Once this is done, AR is a viable command you can use under the OS9 operating systme. Dan #: 10973 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-Jun-91 20:31:16 Sb: ZIP AND UNZIP Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Thanks James, BTW I am getting a bit better at OS9 since we last spoke. Mark #: 10974 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-Jun-91 20:47:52 Sb: #VI-like editors? Fm: Rod Motto 73247,424 To: ALL Hi All, I use the VI editor on InterGraph UNIX boxes at work and have gotten pretty good at using it. Now I've been using TSEDIT for OS-9 for a long time because of its simularities to VI, but as anyone who has used TSEDIT knows its capabilities are limited... My question is; Is there another OS-9 editor that uses more of VI's command set? Or something simular?? Any comments/suggestions are appreciated. -rod There is 1 Reply. #: 10976 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 05-Jun-91 22:07:02 Sb: #10974-#VI-like editors? Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Rod Motto 73247,424 (X) Only such editors I know of are large enough that they run on OS-9/68000. Those are stevie and elvis, both originally written for Unix and ported to OS-9/68000. Might check to see whether someone's put them in the 68K DL here. There is 1 Reply. #: 10981 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 06-Jun-91 06:00:30 Sb: #10976-VI-like editors? Fm: Rod Motto 73247,424 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Hi, thanks for the tip. I'll remember that when I make the move up to 68k. Interesting names! thanks! -rod #: 10975 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 05-Jun-91 22:05:00 Sb: PCoid keyboards & CTRL Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 Say...at RAINBOWFest, if I remember rightly, Paul Ward said you were the fellow from whom he got a keyboard that was hooked up to an MM/1 that was 1. small 2. had the control key in the right place, unlike just about every other PClone keyboard. I'm currently using a relatively inexpensive beast I bought from Midwest Micro Peripherals that lets me put the control key in the right place--the only other one I know of (ones) are some rather more expensive Northgate keyboards. If you know where I can find a *small* but complete keyboard suitable for an MM/1 that has the control key just left of A (where meant it to be :-), then I'd *love* to hear about it! #: 10983 S7/Telecommunications 07-Jun-91 02:33:32 Sb: #sterm on RS232pak Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: ALL I have successfully used sterm 1.2 with my DC Modem Pak. I now have a Hayes-compatible modem which I use with a COCOPRO! RS-232 pak. I have been unable to use sterm with the new modem. /t3 cannot be opened but I do get a baud rate message with /t1 and /t2. But in both cases, the modem does not respond to my ATDT commands (or any other). The phone dialer at ESC-p doesn't seem to work either (is it set up for pulse only?). The DCD line is forced high as I do in Mikeyterm 4.7; the DCD high setting is saved in nonvolatile RAM. I tried ESC-e but it didn't help. What else can I do? There is 1 Reply. #: 10984 S7/Telecommunications 07-Jun-91 04:18:20 Sb: #10983-#sterm on RS232pak Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) How are the device descriptors set? There is 1 Reply. #: 10988 S7/Telecommunications 07-Jun-91 15:04:43 Sb: #10984-#sterm on RS232pak Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) They are on the disk as originally put there by CONFIG? Exactly what are you asking; I'm not quite sure. There is 1 Reply. #: 10989 S7/Telecommunications 07-Jun-91 22:58:39 Sb: #10988-sterm on RS232pak Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X) I'm wondering what the path descriptor option section (which is initially copied from the device descriptor) looks like. The easiest way to find out (which I should've said to start with--sorry about that) is with the xmode utility. #: 10987 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 07-Jun-91 13:06:02 Sb: #Disto SC-II Fm: David Betz 76704,47 To: all Can someone with a Disto SC-II, 4-in-1 combination answer this question? Physically, what does this device look like? Is it a box that plugs into the side of the CoCo3 that contains some sort of slot for the 4-in-1? Is it a big cartridge-like device with some sort of internal expansion slot? I'm trying to come up with a neat configuration for my CoCo3 that doesn't involve lots of extra boxes (like the Multipak) and wires. Will the Disto combination fill those requirements? There is 1 Reply. #: 10998 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 09-Jun-91 00:40:49 Sb: #10987-#Disto SC-II Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: David Betz 76704,47 (X) I just bought one; and am very pleased with the no halt controller. As I type this online, a dsave is running in the background and I'm not missing any typed characters. Anyway, the SC-II is a metal box about the same size as a Radio Shack DCMpak. It plugs into the side of the Coco or into a multipak. The top unscrews and the 4 in 1 board, amazingly enough, plugs upside down on top of the controller board. You punch out a cut in the side of the cover, hook up some cables, and screw the cover back on. The whole thing is easy to do and the resulting package is small. You have to plug in an extra 9-volt adapter into a plug in the side of it to run the new RS-232 port. Altogether you get two ribbon cables coming out the top (floppy drive and SASI/SCSI), and two cables coming out the side (parallel printer and RS-232) plus one little plug for power in the side. The software under OS-9 is easy to install too. I bought mine from Cocopro, Ypsilanti, MI. The owner Dave is a very helpful fellow. Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 11018 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 10-Jun-91 09:11:30 Sb: #10998-#Disto SC-II Fm: David Betz 76704,47 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X) Thanks for your description of the SC-II. It sounds like just what I'm looking for. There is 1 Reply. #: 11042 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 11-Jun-91 20:16:28 Sb: #11018-#Disto SC-II Fm: Sandy Tipper 72060,76 To: David Betz 76704,47 (X) I just called CRC (Disto) in Montreal, and they are sold out of the 4-in-1 and it has now been discontinued... there will be no more. I don't know why, and it was a surprise, because I was just about to do the same reconfiguration. (I.e. lose the Multipak -- I'm putting 5 drives + COCO in an AT case, The multipak is a MAJOR "growth" out the back). Sandy There is 1 Reply. #: 11053 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 12-Jun-91 08:12:43 Sb: #11042-#Disto SC-II Fm: David Betz 76704,47 To: Sandy Tipper 72060,76 (X) Oh well, I guess I'll have to wait for a used SC-II/4-in-1 to become available. There is 1 Reply. #: 11054 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 12-Jun-91 15:28:41 Sb: #11053-Disto SC-II Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: David Betz 76704,47 (X) David - see msg 11012. Same guy selling the 4-1 as before, but lower price. #: 10990 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 07-Jun-91 23:45:04 Sb: B&B Fm: Don Kircher 76346,3475 To: All Does anyone have experience using the Longshine LCS6210D/W with the B&B interface? I am hard pressed to figure out appropriate jumpering. I really have no earthly idea if it will even WORK with B&B. Got my drive all spun up and got no way to talk to it! thx dlk #: 10992 S3/Languages 08-Jun-91 07:56:32 Sb: #Cobol Needed..... Fm: Steven Barlett 71635,1562 To: all work, 17142558151 I am interested in finding a Cobol Compiler for OS9> level 2. If anyone has information as to where I may purchase Cobol Please let me know. I am developing software in Cobol and would like to see more business software developed for the CoCo... 3 ... 4 and so on. Please leave me a mail message in this forum if you have any information for me. Thank you, Steven Barlett 71635,1562 There is 1 Reply. #: 11060 S3/Languages 13-Jun-91 21:52:06 Sb: #10992-Cobol Needed..... Fm: Bob Palmer 74646,2156 To: Steven Barlett 71635,1562 Have you tried a message on the Microware forum requesting pricing information? There is (maybe was?) an official Microware produced COBOL compiler which was available for level II. Advertizement was last seen in 68 micro magazine - now defunct. Sorry I cannot help more. edit #: 10995 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 08-Jun-91 11:08:17 Sb: The Doctor's in Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: All For those of you that have been around long enough to remeber a time when Marty Goodman's 'interesting postition statements' were a daily event here .... Heeeee's Baaaaaack! (well.... sort of :-) ) Library 14's ls0608.ar contains a rather lengthy exchange of info from Marty and others dealing with the issue of upgrading MPI's. Whether or not you're a Forum old timer or a recent addition, it makes for interesting reading. Steve #: 10999 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 09-Jun-91 04:25:44 Sb: #Tandy MM History Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: all Thought y'all would be interested in knowing that the CoCo is in the official Tandy timeline of its march towards "multimedia" computers: 1977 Markets first PC available nationwide 1980 Radio Shack introduces the Color Computer, offering color graphics and complex sound. 1984 Tandy 1000 includes higher quality video and improved sound. .... etc Gee. Nice to be remembered ;-) kevin There is 1 Reply. #: 11004 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 09-Jun-91 13:56:34 Sb: #10999-Tandy MM History Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Hi Kev--Tandy can take their timeline and stick it in their 8086! #: 11006 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 09-Jun-91 18:24:37 Sb: #Zip and Unzip Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X) Hi Dan, I got AR09.BIN loaded into my os9 master. Now how do I use it? Every way I try I end up with some sort of error, mostly, that the files I downloaded are the wrong type. I take that to mean that os9 can't read them. I also downloaded PKZ110.ZIP and LH113C.EXE, do I have to use these with os9 too(especially since PKZ110.ZIP takes up a whole disk by itself). Thanks again, Mark There are 2 Replies. #: 11009 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 09-Jun-91 21:06:30 Sb: #11006-Zip and Unzip Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X) Alas, I think that you'll find that pkz110.zip and lh113c.exe are (or in the case of the former, contain) 8086 executables and hence they're of no use on the CoCo. Two things--OK, three--about ar09.bin. One: rename it just plain "ar". Two: make sure it's in the CMDS directory of your boot disk. (When you say "master" you don't mean the very first copy that you bought from whoever, do you? If you do, then I fear you've made a mistake--back it up and use the copy instead.) Three: make sure it has "execute" attributes set. Once you have in the CMDS directory, and if that's in /d0, then "attr /d0/cmds/ar e pe" should do the job. #: 11015 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 10-Jun-91 06:54:54 Sb: #11006-Zip and Unzip Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X) Mark, James is steering you in the right direction. The two program that you have mentioned are for an IBM computer, not the CoCo running OS9. I don't know of any LHARC type decompressor available for OS9...however we do have a de-zipper and de-arcer. Interested? Dan #: 11010 S7/Telecommunications 10-Jun-91 00:57:14 Sb: #Sterm1_4 parameters Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 Carl - I finally got Kevin Pease's GMX all cabled up with a couple of tty lines and a modem this afternoon. Was messing about with the modem stuff a bit, and was trying to get sterm1_4 operational. I need a memory jog... the code seems to be wired to /t2... what's the parameter for making it /t7? Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 11011 S7/Telecommunications 10-Jun-91 02:41:52 Sb: #11010-#Sterm1_4 parameters Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) The parameter should be the name of the device, e.g. "sterm /t7". There is 1 Reply. #: 11020 S7/Telecommunications 10-Jun-91 15:36:23 Sb: #11011-#Sterm1_4 parameters Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) JJ- Tried that and no potatoes..... 'paths' still showed that /t2 was being used. Pete P.S. DO you know of any reason why DTR will assert on the modem port when I use C-Kermit, but not upon opening the port (i.e. cat Mike #: 11034 S7/Telecommunications 11-Jun-91 07:25:07 Sb: #11020-#Sterm1_4 parameters Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, I've notice in Mark's latest version of sterm that syntax has changed to: Sterm Ver. 1.5 Usage: sterm [-df? -l'p' -e'x'] -d Debug mode on (displays during downloads) -f NOT downloading to floppy disks (CoCo only) -? Print this usage message -l p Link to modem port 'p' -e x Set B+ MAXERRS to 'x' (default 10) Mayhaps this approach will help. Steve There are 2 Replies. #: 11036 S7/Telecommunications 11-Jun-91 09:08:04 Sb: #11034-Sterm1_4 parameters Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve - Gracias.... I'll file that now. Pete #: 11037 S7/Telecommunications 11-Jun-91 09:15:54 Sb: #11034-Sterm1_4 parameters Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve - Thanks .... works great now! Pete #: 11058 S7/Telecommunications 13-Jun-91 13:43:54 Sb: #11020-#Sterm1_4 parameters Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) JJ - A chat with Carl Kreider told be that some of the drivers are extremely stOOpid... Apperently DTR isn't raised implicitly on first path open. There's allegedly a setstat call (_SS_RTS ?) that will explicitly muck with the line. Carl has apperently mixed these in on Mtsmon and Ckermit. Other (groan) _standard_ tools (Tsmon, etc.) don't handle this. Pete P.S. What's the difference between clib.l and clibn.l is OSK'dom? This one cost me an hour or so of grief, and I couldn't find any poop on it in the book. Also - while you're orating, do you mind touching on the other clib* enties as well (68020 here).. There is 1 Reply. #: 11059 S7/Telecommunications 13-Jun-91 21:34:04 Sb: #11058-#Sterm1_4 parameters Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Hmmm...I always have to look up which clib* is which--cc always takes care of it, right? I will go look it up again, but if you want to find out experimentally, you can compile something short with and without -x, and with the various 020 math options, and use -bp so that you'll see what is handed to the linker. That's what influences the choice of libraries. There is 1 Reply. #: 11065 S7/Telecommunications 14-Jun-91 01:46:56 Sb: #11059-Sterm1_4 parameters Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: James Jones 76257,562 In my trial case, l68 seemed to head directly for 'clibn.l' unless I explicitly forced it to /dd/lib/clib.l with the -l option. I guess more digging is in order. Pete P.S. Aren't you still in the compiler troup? #: 11012 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 10-Jun-91 04:32:54 Sb: #CoCo Stuff: Sale Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: all Since the prices were interesting, I thought I'd repost this from internet: o Color Computer III. 128K; good for OS9; brand new in the box $ 60.00 o FD-502 Floppy Controller 'Shack standard issue. $ 40.00 o CM-8 Color Monitor. About 120 total hours. Spottless and packed in original box. For CC3 or Amigas. $ 99.00 o Multipak Adapter. CoCo III Upgrades, as is: $ 30.00 o Disto Super Controller II with 4in1 board. Creates /t2 port emulates FD502 card, does SCSI for Hard drive, has a realtime clock. With Original disks and documentation and cables: $ 99.00 Hard drive - Micropolis 1325D. 71Mb unformatted capacity. Will format MFM/RLL will work with Disto (with adapter card) or with Burke & Burke, also with PC/AT. Low Hours. $175.00 If any of these items interest you, please contact Jeff Fall at: fall@ektools.kodak.com or leave a message at: 716-781-6587 All items are in working order unless stated otherwise. Buyer assumes shipping and COD charges. There is 1 Reply. #: 11047 S14/misc/info/Soapbox 11-Jun-91 23:18:17 Sb: #11012-CoCo Stuff: Sale Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Those are good prices. No copies of 'Inside OS9 Level II' for sale there though (hint, hint). Paul #: 11022 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 10-Jun-91 21:27:17 Sb: #Zip and Unzip Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Hi James, No I didn't mean my "System Master", I meant the master copy. Second, it is in the cmds dir. Third, I named it "arc" instead of "ar"(does this matter?).Fourth, I did set all of the attributes.And fifth, I had to erase a bunch of the cmds and sys directories for the room to fit in on the disk (cmp,format,grfdrv, modpatch,montype,etc). All thhe things I didn't think I'd need to de-arc a file. One of the things I've been wondering about though is that Ultimaterm has "Basic binary" and "Machine language" parameters. I've been using the latter. How would I know which one to store the programs on disk under? Since I'm using a Coco should I be downloading under "Basic binary"? Thanks a heap, Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 11027 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 11-Jun-91 01:55:54 Sb: #11022-Zip and Unzip Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X) It's best to keep the name of the file and the name of the module in it (or the first module in it, since in general a file could contain more than one module) the same, because OS-9 will look for a module in memory before going to disk to try to grab the file. If the names are the same, you don't have to worry about whether you explicitly loaded the file or not when deciding what to type at the shell. I really couldn't tell you what the Ultimaterm settings mean, but... keep ident in the CMDS directory on the disk. Use whatever setting on Ultimaterm that will result in ident giving the correct CRC for the ar module. #: 11023 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 10-Jun-91 21:35:02 Sb: #Zip and Unzip Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X) 'Lo Dan, Yes, I'd be very interested in an un-zipper and de-arcer. I've downloaded disks-ful of programs(mostly zip) and I'm dying to see whats on them. The inaccessability is driving me nuts. Tell me where to find them, pleeeeeeaaaaaaaasssssssseeeeee! Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 11032 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 11-Jun-91 06:30:39 Sb: #11023-Zip and Unzip Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X) Mark, Here are the files then: LIB 10 - UNZIP2.PAK LIB 9 - DEARC.BIN (and source code is DEARC.C) (and if you don't have the UNPAK utility for de-arcing UNZIP2.PAK then you'll need to grab PAK.BIN out of LIB 10 as well.) Now remember....anytime you have these .BIN files you will need to reset the attributes properly, such as with DEARC.BIN: ATTR DEARC.BIN pw pe w e This will allow you to then execute or write to the file. You may wish to write to the file to shorten the name down from DEARC.BIN to DEARC: RENAME DEARC.BIN DEARC Lemme know if you need any more help....and have fun! Dan #: 11024 S5/OS9 Users Group 10-Jun-91 23:10:05 Sb: #Intro Question Fm: STEVE GODERSKY 73130,1456 To: anybody Just browsing through and I wondered if this is the same as Plan 9? There is 1 Reply. #: 11028 S5/OS9 Users Group 11-Jun-91 01:58:44 Sb: #11024-Intro Question Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: STEVE GODERSKY 73130,1456 If by "Plan 9" you mean the experimental distributed system that they're working on at Murray Hill, nope, this isn't the same thing. OS-9 refers to two very similar operating systems intended for real time use on 6809 and 680xx systems. (This area also has a little discussion of the portable descendant of OS-9, OS-9000.) #: 11029 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon 11-Jun-91 04:20:28 Sb: BBS Fm: edward langenback 73510,145 To: all Springwood BBS! (614)-228-7371 300 / 1200 / 2400 Running RiBBS v2.0 On-line games: Poker, Hangman, Chess, Trek Limited transfers for CoCo Users. #: 11043 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 11-Jun-91 21:39:12 Sb: #Zip and Unzip Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Hi James, I renamed the arc file "ar" then I did an ident and got "module header incorrect". Now what? The CRC was good. Thanks again, Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 11045 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 11-Jun-91 22:46:34 Sb: #11043-Zip and Unzip Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X) To get both those messages, what probably had to happen is that the xmodem transfer was OK, but, thanks to xmodem's being designed for CP/M, it left stray junk at the end. There are a couple of ways around this: 1. Assuming that the attributes are set, type "load ar". ar will then be in memory even though you get an error message; the error message is caused by the trailing xmodem droppings. Now, if you have the "save" program, you can "del /d0/cmds/ar; save ar" and you'll have just ar, ready to go. Save is unbundled from OS-9 Level Two, but there are freely-copyable equivalents here. (Catch-22? No, because once you've loaded something, you can run it from memory, so you can "load save", and then save save as well as save ar.) 2. Look at the module length that ident shows for ar. Use a program like ded to chop the file /d0/cmds/ar to that length. Method (1) is probably the safest, since you don't have to remember or write down any lengths--load and save do it all for you. #: 11044 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 11-Jun-91 21:53:03 Sb: #Zip and Unzip Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X) Well I still need a little help. As I told James, I literally had to erase almost the entire CMDS and SYS directories to fit AR09 on the disk. Is this normal? It seems as though the disk would have more space than that on it.(I think it said before this that there were 173 sectors clear with the largest having 39 blocks).Also what exactly are the commands to execute the AR file and a program on another disk? I tried and every other conceivable combination to no avail. HHHHHHHHE EEE ELLLL LPPPP !!!!!! Mark (the desparate one) There is 1 Reply. #: 11046 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 11-Jun-91 22:48:59 Sb: #11044-Zip and Unzip Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X) You don't want to load a .arc file; only load files containing modules (straight modules, not compressed and archived modules). In any case, the "ar" program won't handle .arc files, only .ar files. For .arc files you will want one of the programs called "dearc" that should be available here in one of the DL areas. #: 11061 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 13-Jun-91 22:25:21 Sb: #Cheap OS9 Level 2 Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 To: All HI All, I left this message the other day in the coco forum, never thinking to leave it here, but as of last weekend (6-9-91) OS9 Level 2 was at the Phoenix,Az. Radio Shacks for (get this) $4.95! I imagine it's the same nationwide. GO FOR IT!!! There is 1 Reply. #: 11066 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 14-Jun-91 03:19:39 Sb: #11061-Cheap OS9 Level 2 Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 Thanks for the tip, Mark! kev #: 11062 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 13-Jun-91 22:52:51 Sb: #Dir Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Kevin Darling Is there a "dir" command somewhere that will output file sizes in decimal bytes instead of hexadecimal? Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 11069 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 14-Jun-91 03:23:30 Sb: #11062-Dir Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 Paul - I think you might try "LS.AR" and/or "LSH.BIN" in Library 9. I use an old version of lsh all the time, partly for the decimal sizes and partly because it tells me the space used and free, in decimal. Hope those are what you need! - kev #: 11063 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo) 13-Jun-91 23:52:50 Sb: TROUBLES Fm: DAVID GUESS 72237,2244 To: ALL OK, GOT SOME QUESTIONS, SEEMS TO BE THAT WAY WHEN I'VE BEEN AWAY FOR A WHILE. ANYBODY THAT CAN HELP I DEFINITELY WOULD APPRECIATE IT. 1) OLD COCO3, NO VIDEO OUTPUT.... CAN HEAR CASSETTE RELAY CLICK.. 2) NEW COCO3, CAN'T MAKE A BOOTABLE OS9 DISK AFTER USING CONFIG OR OS9GEN. I'M STILL ON A 35 TRACK DISK AFTER USING EITHER OF THE ABOVE WITH 40 TRACK DEVICE DESCRIPTORS IN OS9BOOT. I CAN MAKE A FORMATTED 40 TRACK DISK BUT THE PROBLEM ARISES WHEN I TRY TO OS9GEN OR COBBLER A BOOT DISK ON THIS 40 TRACK (DS) DISK. KEEP GETTING AN ERROR 241..... 512K IS OK, DISTO SCII IS OK, ALL OTHER CHIPS OK.. I EVEN GOT THE CC3DISK.IRQ WORKING IN MY ONE AND ONLY BOOTABLE DISK (THE ONE AFTER CONFIG) WORKS OK, BUT STILL CAN'T MAKE A 40 DS BOOTABLE DISK. WHEN I IDENT -M, EVERYTHING OK....ON MY OLD DISKS, EVERYTHING IS SCREWED UP. SHOWS OS9P2 BAD CRC AND STOPS THERE WHEN I TRY TO IDENT OS9BOOT THESE OLDER DISKS....ALSO A LOT OF ERROR 249'S....SAME FORMAT, WHAT GIVES???? OS9 LEVEL I AND II ARE THE SAME WAY.. RS DOS EVERYTHING WORKS OK.... CAN ANYBODY HELP, IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR SINCE I'VE GOT TO WORK WITH THESE AND THE CC3 I PICKED UP AT SHACK FOR $69 FOR TOO GOOD A DEAL.... FACT IS, I'M USING THE NEW ONE WITH GETERM 2.5 NOW... APPRECIATE ANY HELP...... DAVID GUESS P.O. BOX 236 BROWNSVILLE, KY. 42210 502-597-3298 (SHOP AND HOME) #: 11070 S1/General Interest 14-Jun-91 13:02:09 Sb: OSK CD-I Jobs Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 To: all Interested in a job using OS-9/68000? A MultiMedia company is looking for OS9 System Software Engineers to work with CD-I. Must have an interest in Video and Graphics Programming. If interested please call Mark Tokay ASAP at (704) 652-1801 for more information. Please tell him that you heard about this on Compuserve in a message posted by James Truesdale. Good Luck! -J #: 11071 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 14-Jun-91 15:38:26 Sb: #OSK 68000 Archives Fm: CHUCK LOUGHRY 70615,213 To: ALL I have noticed several files in the libraries that have an extension of .AR and so far, have been completely unsuccessful in extracting any of these archive files. I have an FHL QT 20X 68020 computer. I would like to know the location of the appropriate program to extract these archives. Thank you in advance for your responses. Chuck Loughry ( 70615,213 ) There is 1 Reply. #: 11072 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK) 14-Jun-91 17:14:24 Sb: #11071-OSK 68000 Archives Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: CHUCK LOUGHRY 70615,213 Chuck - Grab AR68.BIN and AR.DOC in DL9. Rename the AR68.bin to AR, stuff it in the execution directory, set the execute permission(s), and away you go. Pete Press !>