ÚÄÄÄ¿ ÚÄÄÄ¿ ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ ÚÙ À¿ ³ ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄ ³ ³ ÀÄ¿ ³ ÀÄÄÄÄ¿ ³ À¿ ÃÄÄÄÄ¿ ÀÄ¿ ³ ³ ³ ÀÄÄ À¿ ³ ³ ³ ÚÙ ³ ÚÄÙ ³ ÄÄ¿ ÚÄÄÙ ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ ³ ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ Damned Fucking Shit Edited by Access Denied Issue #6 Title: CyberSpace and The Freak Scene BBS Date: 10/4/93 By: Dr. Techno ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Date:October 2, 1993 Time:15:26 Location:Somewhere in CyberSpace Author:Dr. Techno of Black Enterprises. Well, The following dialouge is from a bbs that ran in Sheboygan during the summer of 1993 called Freak Scene. I'm not sure of it's were about's as of now. Rumor has it that it's being run in Madison. Oh well, enjoy this stuff. There's alot to be learned from it. 1/38: Ok, I may have waited too long for this... Name: Rapunzel #1 Date: Wed Jul 14 16:26:49 1993 I have already seen quite a few posts that belong on this base... So let's get down to business. I want to hear what YOU think about =-> Is there a cyberpunk movement? If so, what is it? What is important about it and what drives it? =-> Have you read Neuromancer? Are you impressed or not? =-> Does anyone outside the net HAVE A CLUE about the movement? How many people are reached? What is the extent of the movement as far as society goes? =-> Raves, Ecstasy, AI, h/p, techno music, and whatever else you consider a little bit Cyberpunk. I would appreciate anyone who knows to give a definition of any basic cyberpunk terms, as even I get confused by the onslaught of new terminology. [PAUSE] (I guess I should say for legal reasons that I find illegal activity despicable, like h/p and whatever. Just watch it, okay?) Rapunzel 2/38: hee hee Name: Kali #22 Date: Thu Jul 15 23:58:56 1993 i have never been to a rave...want to though (oops, i mean I WOULD NEVER GO TO ANYTHING AS UNCLEAN MORALLY AS A RAVE ;)). Repeat after me and all that... can anyone tell me where I can get a copy of Neuromancer to read (short of Waldenbooks...) I so want to read it, but THE LIBRARY HAS IT NOT! Oh well... Kali - 'Post Hard' (stolen from P.U.T.V.) 3/38: Rave? Name: Butt-Head #35 Date: Fri Jul 16 01:32:10 1993 RE: hee hee BY: Kali #22 Would someone please tell me what a rave is???? Please???? I'll give you a dollar. ok? 4/38: Rave on Name: Rapunzel #1 Date: Fri Jul 16 16:00:47 1993 RE: Rave? BY: Butt-Head #35 ¯ Would someone please tell me what a rave is???? ¯ Please???? ¯ I'll give you a dollar. ¯ ok? As well as I understand it, a rave is a gathering of cyberpunks in some secret place where we/they play industrial/techno music really loud and dance and wear funny clothes and blow whistles and wear masks (well, some of them anyway). Usually Raves are accompanied by drugs, typically ecstasy. (All year in Madison someone was running around chalking E's and e's all over the school. Later I heard it was a bunch of ecstasy freaks.) That's why they are kind of secretive about them sometimes. I've never been to a rave. My loss, I guess. But maybe you could give me, [PAUSE] say, fifty cents for this attempted explanation. :) Rapunzel 6/38: Neuromancer Name: Rapunzel #1 Date: Mon Jul 19 22:08:27 1993 I am about three-quarters of the way through Neuromancer. It is a stunning and excellent science fiction book, but I don't see what makes it so special as to have a huge influence on the Cyberpunk movement. I do love the terminology! I want to refer to using the BBS net as 'jacking in' and my physical body as 'meat'. What do Molly's sunglasses look like (other than mirrored?). I imagined them as wire rimmed, but then I saw them portrayed as something like those classic black cheap ones (like in Risky Business) but with mirrored lenses. Is Neuromancer a movie yet? Will it be one soon? I hope they do a good job of it if they do, or there will be hell to pay! Boy is it hot. Rapunzel 14/38: Well Name: Dr. Techno #37 Date: Thu Jul 22 21:48:46 1993 RE: Ok, I may have waited too long for this... BY: Rapunzel #1 I'm not gonna quote you cause I don't have the energy but How can all of you people sit around and discuss "CYBERPUNK" My advice to all of you is if you're interested in it, rely in something more than what Time Magazine or Connie Chung Tell's you. Well, This base is a good start Well, <===== I like that word. I go to raves, Have taken X, Been to all sorts of underground events, Partaken in underground activities, have lived out the media definition, have been busted for hacking, and have done numerous other things. I don't consider myself a cyberpunk. That was a word defined by idiots who [PAUSE] really have no idea how the majority of the people in the underground movement feel. CONSIDER YOURSELVe's lucky. You are part of the computer literate society. Well, here's some more info. You can classify our civilization as in The Information Age. People like those in Management information systems hold the knowledge. Pretty soon, Technology will be controlled by those with the power and wealth, it is happening already, information will be restricted and the majority of us will be and are already being manipulated. I really hate ths shit, It only allows me 50 lines or so DShit 15/38: hi Name: Dr. Techno #37 Date: Thu Jul 22 21:52:03 1993 RE: hee hee BY: Kali #22 >i have never been to a rave...want to though (oops, i mean I WOULD NEVER GO TO >ANYTHING AS UNCLEAN MORALLY AS A RAVE ;)). Repeat after me and all that... > >can anyone tell me where I can get a copy of Neuromancer to read (short of >Waldenbooks...) I so want to read it, but THE LIBRARY HAS IT NOT! > >Oh well... > >Kali - 'Post Hard' (stolen from P.U.T.V.) Well, As I speek an underground club event is going on tonight in Milwaukee. There is a Rave going on on the 31st of july I believe. Hmm... SoundLAb is going on On SAt. [PAUSE] All of you who want to witness the underground at a rave, it is probably too late. The scene is sold out and lots of lame people go there. Oh well, I still advise you get to one before they start haveing them At the Bradley Center being sponsored by the local church ") For Rave info call drop basss network at 414.256.1733 It's ld for you all but it'll only cost like 30 cents for the call dt. 16/38: yah Name: Dr. Techno #37 Date: Thu Jul 22 21:53:37 1993 RE: Rave on BY: Rapunzel #1 Trying to define underground things defeats the Whole Ideal of the underground especially if YOu don't know what you're talking about. YOU've described the sold out version of raves. dr. techno 17/38: Bite on Name: Rapunzel #1 Date: Thu Jul 22 22:52:23 1993 RE: yah BY: Dr. Techno #37 ¯Trying to define underground things defeats the Whole Ideal of the underground ¯especially if YOu don't know what you're talking about. ¯YOU've described the sold out version of raves. Then what IS your definition of rave, you who obviously knows what you are talking about, self-declared non-cyberpunk, trying to stay on the cutting edge by putting down anything that has been around more than a week, our lily-livered waffling doctor? This question was asked quite some time ago and as you were not available with your omniscience some of us had to feebly attempt to SPREAD the INFORMATION about WHAT'S GOING ON. What is not a sell out to you? You are a part of the ultimate sell out! Afraid to hold on to anything because the mainstream might attempt to assimilate it tomorrow! I am sick and tired of elitist alternative types! You [PAUSE] have just shared three long posts with us about NOTHING because that's what you're all about! Itchin to be Bitchin Rapunzel 18/38: Uhhh.. Name: Nightsky #9 Date: Fri Jul 23 01:25:47 1993 You people are hopeless. Yes, Dr. Techno, you have a point. The whole idea of underground is secret, more or less, but there are those of us who are in that scene also, altho not as much as you say you are. Rapunzel is right tho, you should try to be more natural, you are to the point of being a hypocrite. You see, being alternative is cool, but now when you try to be like all the other alternatives, get what I'm saying? Sure, I've never been busted for hacking, yes I've gone to raves, yes I've done the "X"(I like how you put that), but you don't have to go brag about it and try to put everyone else down. What you were mostly saying is "Be like me, Be like me, I am the picture perfect frame of the alternative person" Well, that don't cut it with me. I for one am who I am and am damn proud of it, your ideas and stuff like that don't bother me, I could care less. More or less man, your type really makes me puke. [PAUSE] We don't want to hear about your feats or anything so take and shove where the sun don't shine. Ok? Thanks. Pissed off big time, Nightsky 26/38: fuck you Name: Dr. Techno #37 Date: Mon Jul 26 22:22:16 1993 RE: Bite on BY: Rapunzel #1 >Then what IS your definition of rave, you who obviously knows what you are >talking about, self-declared non-cyberpunk, trying to stay on the cutting edge >by putting down anything that has been around more than a week, our >lily-livered waffling doctor? This question was asked quite some time ago and >as you were not available with your omniscience some of us had to feebly >attempt to SPREAD the INFORMATION about WHAT'S GOING ON. >What is not a sell out to you? You are a part of the ultimate sell out! >Afraid to hold on to anything because the mainstream might attempt to >assimilate it tomorrow! I am sick and tired of elitist alternative types! Yo >have just shared three long posts with us about NOTHING because that's what >you're all about! > >Itchin to be Bitchin >Rapunzel You probably live in a fairy tale world. Dreamin about raves and Thinking your a cool alternative freak. I don't know, but Allot of you people have never been in the real world. Grow up, enter reality. Do you have friends who've died from drugs??? Maybe relatives??? How was highschool???? Did you ever get chased by gangs, busted for hacking, and almost get kicked out of school???? [PAUSE] Have you ever been arrested, (I'll continue this) Read:(1-38,^26),? : 27/38: continued Name: Dr. Techno #37 Date: Mon Jul 26 22:27:16 1993 Did you know what alternative was before You saw 120 minutes on MTV??? Do you think this is the fucking 60's?????? Wake up!!! This world is fucked up..... Some of us don't know where we'll be in a month. Shit, you're going to college right. I only have enough money for like 1 semester. My parents were real people, not corporate assholes who have lots of money, and bought there little kiddie a computer. Ever been out of WI?????? HUH???? Probably not.... [PAUSE] You're just another one of those Wisconsin Hillbilly hicks who thinks theie totally Avant Guarde. Shit, If only you could wake up. Open your eyes... This isn't the land of the free and home of the brave. It's quite the opposite. Societys in fucking decay splintering into millions of cultures. Shit, we both may be white, but But we hold different ideals and values, we speak differetly, act differently. We're human aren't we not??????? Guess what????? I still haven't judged you by anyhting you've posted here nore will I ever judge you (I'll continue this...) ` 28/38: more shit Name: Dr. Techno #37 Date: Mon Jul 26 22:29:31 1993 I don't judge people by one message I've read on a fucking LIFELESS computer. I hope you haven't judged me either. For all you could know, I could be an 81 year old grandpa doing this as a joke. maybe I'm a football Jock? Maybe I'm a lesbian. Maybe a Gay military General. How do you know if you haven't been where I've been? Do you see where I'm coming from? peace and Love DR. TEchno Don't judge lest you be judged. 29/38: I don't believe it Name: Dr. Techno #37 Date: Mon Jul 26 22:33:48 1993 RE: Uhhh.. BY: Nightsky #9 Well, Cool Mr. Yah, I never really considered myself alternative. The media say's I am. Society says I am. So what you say??? You hate me you say??? You don't know me. You can't know me from what I post. It makes me sick the way You PAss Judgement. I posted those messages Partly to see how people would judge me. [PAUSE] I repsect you for your comments, but How can we all get along if we are all so quick to judge. I repect everybody. Almost everybody People like rapists, killers, etc, have no place here. dr. techno 30/38: Mais oui Name: Rapunzel #1 Date: Mon Jul 26 23:27:35 1993 RE: fuck you BY: Dr. Techno #37 ¯You probably live in a fairy tale world. ^Of course! That's why I am Rapunzel. Dreamin about raves and Thinking you a cool alternative freak. ^I never said I'd been to a rave or that I considered myself alternative. Where are you getting this? You are the self-proclaimed (sorry, society-proclaimed according to yourself) alternative. ¯Grow up, enter reality. ^What qualifies you to define reality? 31/38: Hillbilly hick Name: Rapunzel #1 Date: Mon Jul 26 23:46:46 1993 RE: continued BY: Dr. Techno #37 ¯Did you know what alternative was before You saw 120 minutes on MTV? ^Some of us poor hillbilly hicks don't have MTV. Like me, for example. (What the hell is 120 minutes? 120 minutes of what? I still don't know what alternative is, nor do I claim to... you were saying?) ¯Some of us don't know where we'll be in a month. Shit, you're going to colleg ¯right. I only have enough money for like 1 semester. My parents were real ¯people, not corporate assholes who have lots of money, and bought there little ¯kiddie a computer. ^You're absolutely right. And this is my fault. Please... take it out on me. Why don't I give up all of my material possessions to make it better? I KNOW how lucky I am! I would be stupid not to see it. I wish everyone could get a fair start, but they don't. And stop picking on my poor 'rental units. They try their best. ...next subject... [PAUSE] I'm aware that the world, particularly this country, is going multicultural. I think that it's a good thing. It's unrealistic to and impractical to think that 5 billion people (or the whatever hundred American million) could share a culture. Why is multiculturalism bad? BUT this is my favorite part. ¯You're just another one of those Wisconsin Hillbilly hicks who thinks theie ¯totally Avant Guarde. -and- ¯Guess what????? I still haven't judged you by anyhting you've posted here nor ¯will I ever judge you (I'll continue this...) What the hell? Sure, I'm judging what you say, but at least I'm not too hypocritical to admit it. I am an inconsistent bitch! Thank you for the posts, dear Doctor. Rapunzel 32/38: Well the logical conclusion then, Name: Rapunzel #1 Date: Mon Jul 26 23:50:15 1993 RE: more shit BY: Dr. Techno #37 ¯How do you know if you haven't been where I've been? ¯ ¯Do you see where I'm coming from? Maybe you should tell us where you've been. I like stories. (Yes I'm serious, dammit.) Have some milk and sit down and tell us about it before some innocent bystander gets disemboweled. ¯peace and Love You and your fairy tale world. :) Good night. Rapunzel [PAUSE] (waiting for the bedtime story) Read:(1-38,^32),? : 33/38: Blah.. Name: Mick #13 Date: Tue Jul 27 02:04:56 1993 RE: continued BY: Dr. Techno #37 DT> Some of us don't know where we'll be in a month. Shit, DT> you're going to college right. I only have enough money for DT> like 1 semester. My parents were real people, not DT> corporate assholes who have lots of money, and bought there DT> little kiddie a computer. DT> DT> Ever been out of WI?????? HUH???? DT> DT> Probably not.... DT> DT> You're just another one of those Wisconsin Hillbilly hicks DT> who thinks theie totally Avant Guarde. I know this wasn't directed at me, but what the hell. I'll reply anyway. [PAUSE] 1. I'm not going to college. 2. My parent's were real people. They didn't buy me a computer. 3. Yes, I've been out of WI. Many times. Geez, I've even been on those things they call airplanes. 3. Hick? Sure... DT> Do you have friends who've died from drugs??? Maybe DT> relatives??? How was highschool???? Did you ever get DT> chased by gangs, busted for hacking, and almost get kicked DT> out of school???? 1. I've had friends and relatives die. 2. I dropped out of school. Went to college a bit. Dropped out. 3. Busted for hacking? No, I'm not stupid. 34/38: Again.. Name: Mick #13 Date: Tue Jul 27 02:10:03 1993 RE: continued BY: Dr. Techno #37 DT> You probably live in a fairy tale world. Dreamin about DT> raves and Thinking your a cool alternative freak. I don't DT> know, but Allot of you people have never been in the real DT> world. Sorry, but unlike how you seem to portray yourself.. I don't have a need to fit in and be labeled with any group whether that be 'alternative' or not. I dress how I want to dress.. not to wear the in or stylish thing. I shave my head because I want to.. not because it's cool to certain people. I wear many earrings.. because I want to. What the hell is wrong with just bing yourself these days. The way you live is not better than mine or the other way around. You, Dr. Techno, do seem to have an attitude problem. Mick 35/38: agreed Name: Nightsky #9 Date: Tue Jul 27 03:27:22 1993 RE: Again.. BY: Mick #13 You are who you are. Nobody can put you in a class. Oh, and to everyone else who was saying that people are chicken shits for not posting their name on EVERY-FUCKING-POST, why is that? There are just some times when it is more adventageous to NOT have your name standing there prominently at the top of your message. Stop being so judgemental of everyone (ESPECIALLY POOR DR.TECHNO!!! Geez, the poor guy, everyone mentally beating up on him...) Kali - Not a chickenshit 37/38: Post wars Name: Rapunzel #1 Date: Tue Jul 27 15:43:00 1993 Funky Kali >> Stop being so judgemental of everyone (ESPECIALLY POOR DR.TECHNO!!! Geez, the poor guy, everyone mentally beating up on him...) I know nobody likes being judgemental, but I don't feel like sitting here being abused on my own board. I did not put it up so that people could bash me for fun. Here is the post that started it. It was in response to the only definition of raves I had to give... which was admittedly inadequate and a bland post. Dr. Techno's post >> Dr. Techno #37 Thu Jul 22 21:53:37 1993 RE: Rave on BY: Rapunzel #1 Trying to define underground things defeats the Whole Ideal of the underground especially if YOu don't know what you're talking about. YOU've described the sold out version of raves. [PAUSE] dr. techno This is not a horrible post, but I think that this was pretentious and overly hostile. I don't see why I should sit here and enjoy it whenever some user thinks they can take out their hostility on me, this board, or its users. I think it ruins the atmosphere and that royally pisses me off. Rapunzel BTW I think that the Dr. is so proud of being estranged that he takes our written beatings as compliment. If he cared he would have indicated as such. Such are freaks. Sometimes even freaks don't understand them. 38/38: duh Name: Dr. Techno #37 Date: Tue Jul 27 18:33:30 1993 RE: Again.. BY: Mick #13 Well, I posted those messages Just to see how you'd all react. I'm kinda suprised and Allot of the reactions I wasn't as suprised about. I'm going to use my findiungs for a research/paper I'm writing about people. I'll give anybody on this board a copy if yah want. Thanks for all the feedback hehehe dr. techno 39/39: to everybody Name: Dr. Techno #37 Date: Tue Jul 27 18:47:32 1993 Well, I've seen lots of hatred here and people caught up in discussions that really don't mean much at all. I really thank everybody for all the discussion that went on here. I've captured all of the posts and are using them in a research paper/informative paper I'm writing. I'll upload a copy here when I'm done with it if that's possible. People have to realise that people are people. YOu can't judge others By mere statements on a bbs, by the way they dress, etc. I advise eevrybody to show more love to everybody else. Our world is disappearing fast. Society is decaying in many parts. People just don't care about other people, and it was proven here. Well, thats all for now, I'll let everybody think about that. Dr. Techno A soul in Black Log Off? Yes Time on = 00:19:53 _____________________________ ______________________________________ ___________________________________________ ___________________________________________ ________________________________________________ _________________________________________________ ____________________________________________ _______________________________________ ____You _______________________ _________________________________are _____________________________ ____________ _________________leaving _______ _________________________________________ __________FREAK __________ ______________________________________ ________SCENE __________________ ____________________________________________ ____ NO CARRIER Well, that was the second to the last time I logged on that board. THe last time I logged on I requested that my acct. be destroyed, and left a post something like this. 'Let He who is without sin cast the First Stone' Since all of ya'll like casting stones at averybody I assume you're all perfect. Let me leave you with one quote from a New Order Song 'I've seen what man can do, And I've seen the hate of the women too..." Well, There it was, I hope you enjoyed It. I'd really appreciate some feed back as to what you thought of the dialogue that transpired those summer days in cyberspace. Send all e-mail, feedback, and concerns to ajvuolo@students.wisc.edu I promise I'll reply to all mail that I receive in which a reply is requested. Peace and Love I'm outta here. Dr. Techno ÉÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ» º Distribution Sites: º º If you're on the BBSs you know it. º º Fuck you if you're not. º ÈÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍͼ